pizzathegreat
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Any thoughts on the types for the characters in this show? I'm curious.
Foggy follows the rules too much to be an N. Plus he values fairness and harmony, and - even though he's a lawyer - feels more inclined to show mercy over justice when necessary. He strikes me as an ESFP.
Madame Gao is definitely an INTP.
I'm saying since he values fairness and harmony over being just, so he is inclined to F more than T. Jeez.
wowow things are heating up in here...
How would you differentiate fairness and justice? I see them as, if not exactly the same, then hopelessly intertwined. As an ESTJ, I value them both quite a bit.I'm saying since he values fairness and harmony over being just, so he is inclined to F more than T. Jeez.
[MENTION=24850]ObnoXious[/MENTION] I don't have time to go into it right now as I am so swamped with things to do, but will hopefully be back in a day or two, but I want to go on record as saying, "I think these two posts are AWESOME!!!!" And reflect much of my own thoughts about both these characters. I haven't had the time to sit down and spell it out so eloquently as you just did, but yes, I do see both these characters just as you have said. As far as I'm concerned, you're nailed it.
I read it somewhere once that the ultimate comic book villain is usually the dark side of the hero or rather, what the hero would be if he or she had chosen a different path.
Thank you. I am flattered. If you find time, please do share your take on the characters.
I completely agree with the part about the parallels running between protagonists and antagonists and how often it would one same entity but exposed to different conditions.
What you've said resonates so well with my own thoughts. However, I will add some additional things that have gone through my mind that I feel point to Matt/Daredevil being an INFJ.
Here goes:
Matt Murdock consistently puts the good of others above his own good, even to the point of not acknowledging his own feelings, a very INFJ thing to do.
“This city needs me in that mask, Foggy,†Matt tells Foggy in episode ten. In the same episode he reveals that he became a vigilante after hearing a little girl being abused by her father. Matt wanted to help the child. His primary and initial motive in putting on the mask was compassion. He wanted to make a difference.
Matt and Foggy forego a lucrative career to help Hell's Kitchen and it was Matt's idea, his humanitarian dream. He is driven to save people. We could say he has a bit of a martyr, messianic or savior complex. He is very much a humanitarian with a dream. He isn't as haphazard as he seems. He planned what he would do while in college and then he followed the plan. He worked hard and earned top grades, also a very INFJ-like thing to do.
He has a charming smile that warms his whole face and makes him seem somehow vulnerable, same thing when he cries. He's cute, but not because of the way he looks, but because he's got enough Fe to put people at ease, but he's also quick to call people on their BS. He gives off a certain vulnerability and goodness vibe that makes Claire want to help him. He is in constant conflict with his anger (maybe he's a 9w8? Haha.)
He fights for those who can't fight for themselves. He wants to do the right thing, what's best for the under-privileged of Hell's Kitchen, and he battles guilt when he feels he has come up short. He also is a spiritual man and seeks guidance from his faith.
Also, in the scene where he is presenting a case and wins, I think his entire approach is a combo of Ni-Fe-Ti....he reads the jury, establishes the facts and presents them in undeniable terms.
I do agree with you on many points here, Ene.
Indeed, Matt seems more in touch with people around him than with his own self. When he looks inside of himself for reflection and contemplation, he does not come in touch with his feeling side as much as with his ideas of life in general. This is particularly evident in his dialogue with the priest. He cares a lot about people, which is shown throughout the episodes, especially in the one about Stick. He is very much nurturing and feels responsible for not only those he loves but also those in whim he finds heart (unlike with the irrelevant psychopaths such as the Russian mobs). This is what makes one of his prime motivators as well as one of his most obvious weaknesses. As an example, Matt suddenly gave in to the rush and was certain he would kill Fisk. His rage took over him and served him to Fisk's hands. This was a horrible mistake he had to learn in order to rise again.
Matt is also more driven to help society not because this merely makes him or others feel good about it, but because it coincides with his grand vision of how things should be. If you look at this, both him and Fisk are very much alike when it comes to them speaking of their ideals. They are almost obsessive about their worldviews, which is extremely common among Ni-doms. However, their visions target not systems, but people at large. Essentially, they take people not as individuals or communes but a concept at which they could exercise their plans. All those close to them are only immediate instants of the people in general. Even Vanessa is a glimpse of hope in Fisk's reassurance that the city needs to be revived in a cleaner, more beautiful form (just as Vanessa is perceived by him).
Interestingly, Matt appears rather disillusioned by law on numerous occasions. He gradually becomes a law breaker and he does see a value in it. Unlike with other, more upbeat superheroes such as Spider-Man, Daredevil, as Foggy nicely put in the same episode, is the judge, the jury and the executor, all in one. The value Matt sees in his actions is what the law lacks, in his opinion. The law runs counter to absolute truth and justice. For him, law is either a surfacing layer or an obstacle to overcome. He is far more captivated by the idea of justice, the true justice, and not the one caged in bureaucratic BS. The law plays a great role behind Matt's motivation to wear the mask. It is the dissatisfaction with the reality as it is. For Matt, the mask is the path to the reality as it should be.
You nicely noted about his spirituality, as Matt has a lot of it. He still believes in God but he is at this point unsure. He is not lost, but he does have doubts. It is another reason why he saw the symbol of justice in his becoming Daredevil. It is also why he decided the image of the devil is to become the guide of salvation. Many people face times when they lose their hope and faith in the intangible. But, for people such as INFJ (and ENFP), this is a far greater struggle that place them at the doubt with their own selves. By losing faith, they also can lose the belief in their themselves. This process is rather common and sometimes necessary in order to develop. It is not unusual that, by stepping past this gap, INFJs come out even ten times wiser and unsurprisingly ten times more mystical they have ever been.
Man, you are GOOD. haha... You have totally broken his character down. On a personal note, I really love Matt Murdock's [or rather Cox's portrayal of] character on this show. I love how he is more complex and deeper than even his close friends realize.