ZPowers
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If God cannot change it, then it is no God, because it is not all powerful. It's just a powerful, but not Godly, being. If there is a precedent above God, then, again, God is not the all powerful being. Either there is another being above God (which makes the same questions as before come into play) or God is not a God (which would have all power and set all principles and rules), but just a more influential thing that tries to teach us, like we might teach a dog.I've seen many say god has made it eternally good, and thus can no longer change it, or even that god could never change it in the first place (meaning it is indeed more powerful than god). I've seen people say it is arbitrary from god's perspective, but not for humans because god has made it objectively good (so rejecting your premise that nothing changes about the situation other than god's whim). You can also say god is beyond logic so can do whatever it wants, meaning the very tool we are using in this debate has been rendered useless, which most don't lean on because it also means god can force everyone into paradise without violating free-will and similar problems for non-Abrahamic theistic gods. It's essentially impossible to think about a being of that power.
Now, one can say "it doesn't make sense but I believe it", which is fine, but you also have to say the argument is invalid from a strictly logical perspective (which maybe God can transcend, but we cannot use that evidence in a human argument so it doesn't matter in the terms we must engage in as human beings). And the argument I mean is "atheists cannot appreciate beauty or morality like theists."