EJCC
The Devil of TypoC
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To arrive at a conclusion is more important and much easier than to remember the steps one has taken to get there.
You're right about it being more work, and you're right that the conclusion is the most important. (Te bonding! ) But what about the bolded? Why choose to not give all the information if you're fully aware that most people need the description? From a Te dom perspective, that surprises me, because if you want someone to understand you, then you do whatever it takes to make them understand you. Is it that being fully understood isn't a priority?The difference between stating your opinion and explainig it is, for me, like the difference between evaluating a picture and giving an accurate picture description: while the conclusion is the same, the latter is much more laborious. Most people, however, need the description to see that the conclusion is correct.
I would say that this is probably Ni vs. Ne, except that I know quite a few xNFJs who go out of their way to be completely and fully understood - much worse than me So I guess I'm still confused.
Interesting. I wonder if this is just lack of faith in your ability to articulate what you're saying? When you try to articulate personal reasoning, does it always feel like you aren't quite doing your thought processes the justice they deserve? I'm just trying to put myself in your shoes; because with me, it often doesn't matter if the INTJ is articulate or not. All I really want is a valid reason. For example, with movies: even if the INTJ said "I hate this movie because the main character has ugly hair" - regardless of whether or not I agree, it's a reason, and it doesn't raise my hackles like "I hate it because it's stupid".@EJCC
Not all INTJ's, or introverts for that matter, are articulate. Not to mention that INTJ's are Ni dominant which makes it more difficult for them to express their thoughts. Even if they are able to express themselves, it does not necessarily mean that they'll be understood, which is why personally, I do not bother explaining to most of my acquaintances.
I think you're right; to me, anyways, INTJs can often come across as dismissive to any opinion that they disagree with, and then are so curt about it that I get this vibe from them as if they're saying "I hate it, end of story. Don't talk to me anymore about it because there's no point." How would you recommend that friends of INTJs deal with this miscommunication?EDIT: This also may be partly the reason why INTJ's seem close-minded. I can't speak for the behalf of all INTJ's, but I really am open-minded, but people seem to think otherwise because even if I understand their opinion, they can't understand mine.