I'm going with the stereotypical Emo kid represented perfectly in this convenient song.
Type is of no concern here. It's easy to state F types (not necessarily NFs) in this.. but I think T types are just as susceptible for entirely different reasons. Each have an unhealthy way of coping with emotion.. Different paths to the same destination.
I say unhealthy because I think anyone that clings to sadness and oppression like it's any sort of medication for life is unhealthy in their head.
Sadness is beautiful, inspiring and has good reason to exist, like most emotions I (note: I'm not an Emo, just putting myself in their shoes for a sec) embrace it. Since I have discovered mbti I have come to realise just how much I experience of the world is emotional in nature, it is soothing to embrace emotions, even "negative" ones. I feel to embrace them and feel them fully is healthier than to put them in a bottle and pretend they don't exist.
These types hate any sort of role model/influence/anythingorone trying to tell them how they 'should be'.
Good for them, "shoulds" are for SJs. Why should anyone feel a desire to control them?
They cling to the lifestyle and looks of what isn't considered the norm as a comfort, and want to think of themselves as individuals while being in a support group of sorts (Paradoxical, because if you're an individual you don't have a group, and if you're part of the group, you can't be very individualistic. Not in the extreme senses of the words).
Good for them, if we were all the same and if everyone stuck to the "norm" the world would be a very boring place. Why would we be using extreme sense of words?
Surrounding yourself with people that are just as unhealthy as you are to validate your unhealthy behavior and actions is not a good thing either.
Like attracts like, there is very little anyone can do about that.
This is why there's a lot of negative stigma on them. They don't desire to discover they've got it just fine in life.
Do they think life is bad for them? I've never really talked to one.
They take comfort in pain and dislike to be lifted up away from it. Much the way someone clings to drugs, these people cling to negative emotions for support.
Like an addiction? How do you define the line between embracing and recognising "negative" emotion and an addiction? If you mean physical harm I see that as a seperate issue.
My answer to this thread: The Unhealthy type is the type that's most susceptible to Emo.
This just seems a little biased for some reason. A lot of these kids will grow up to be regular healthy people and will look back on photos and laugh at their silly haircuts, like most adults.
Sadness is beautiful, inspiring and has good reason to exist, like most emotions I (note: I'm not an Emo, just putting myself in their shoes for a sec) embrace it. Since I have discovered mbti I have come to realise just how much I experience of the world is emotional in nature, it is soothing to embrace emotions, even "negative" ones. I feel to embrace them and feel them fully is healthier than to put them in a bottle and pretend they don't exist.
Good for them, "shoulds" are for SJs. Why should anyone feel a desire to control them?
Good for them, if we were all the same and if everyone stuck to the "norm" the world would be a very boring place. Why would we be using extreme sense of words?
Like attracts like, there is very little anyone can do about that.
Do they think life is bad for them? I've never really talked to one.
Like an addiction? How do you define the line between embracing and recognising "negative" emotion and an addiction? If you mean physical harm I see that as a seperate issue.
This just seems a little biased for some reason. A lot of these kids will grow up to be regular healthy people and will look back on photos and laugh at their silly haircuts, like most adults.
I tend to think that "emo" kids catch an unfair amount of hate. I mean, they're not more obnoxious than any other kiddy subgroup, and at least they value sensitivity and expressive art creation (as opposed to drug use or other destructive behaviors). Even if it's immature and only done in the spirit of conforming to their group. They are usually well-behaved and easy to manage. Plus, I often find that those who are most vehemently "anti-emo" are the ones that I find most obnoxious (like the idiot football player in my class that shows up 1/3 of the time...and yes, he may be a stereotype, but he exists, and he is more than ready to rant and rave about how "gay" emo kids are).
I agree, though, that any self-destructive behavior is not healthy and should be discouraged. But most of these kids (at least that I have come across) don't show signs of actually wishing to harm themselves. The majority just tend to be bandwagoners.
Did you even listen to the song? Have you read any emo 'poetry' attempts, or even heard them talk?
Sadness is a part of life. It is not a medication, or something to cling to as if it is life. Sadness is not life. Pain is not life. They are parts of life, and without their counterparts for balance, you don't have a healthy dose. If you have too much of one thing it turns up bad. Just the same, someone who clings to sadness (the way Emo kids do) isn't in their right minds.
Some people, like parents, are perfectly capable of saying 'should' and probably ought to have that attitude.
As in, no one is entirely individualistic, and no one is entirely group-oriented. People need a happy medium. The problem is, Emo people crave the extremes of both, which is why the extremes of the words are needed.
This is definitely true, but my point still stands that the like-attracts-like factor keeps them in that lifestyle much longer than they might have on their own. There's the peer pressure quality in it.
I'll give you an example. Hope is someone who's crossed that line. That's like asking 'How do you know when someone's only using drugs for recreation and can quit anytime, and someone who's addicted?'
Yes they will. That doesn't at all mean that they were healthy minded children growing up that way. I'm not talking about kids who DRESS emo. I'm talking about kids who ARE emo. My sister likes the whole Goth scene, and I'm also partial to it. Fashion is different from emo.
[I feel to embrace them and feel them fully is healthier than to put them in a bottle and pretend they don't exist.
What makes you think NFs are emotional, depressed, and misunderstood?
Yeah I heard the song, it's a parody right (same with Hope)? I'm not sure if parodies are going to help my understanding of the actual kids. Like I said, I've never known an Emo, just seen them round town. I'd like at least a long discussion with some of them about how they really perceive their life before I would decide that what they're doing is unhealthy.
I would hesitate to define what life is for others though. Who am I to judge what lifestyle is right for others?
I don't think much of the anti-emo attitude comes from parents (although I bet it might enrage some uptight parents, which I suspect might be exactly why the kids do it).
they seem very group orientated to me, just not to the "norm" group, I'm ok with that.
I'm fairly ignorant of scenes, that sort of thing. How do you tell Emos from fashion emos?
Most emokids I know are ISFJ. They are introverted and shy, overly sensitive, they get angry whenever someone is not like them, but when you get to know them well they just turn out to be warm, caring and helpful people who are just extremely insecure.