Speed Gavroche
Whisky Old & Women Young
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- sx/sp
Obi-Wan Kenobi: ISTJ 6w5 Sp/So
Anakin Skywalker: ENFP 8w7 Sx/So
Anakin Skywalker: ENFP 8w7 Sx/So
I think George Lucas wrote the young adult, pre-Darth Vader Anakin Skywalker as an unhealthy Feeler, most likely Fi. Unless he is lying about his decision making process when he said, "You are asking me to be rational. That is something I know I cannot do. Believe me, I wish that I could just wish away my feelings, but I can't."
Actually, even Darth Vader puts a lot of emphasis on feelings. How many times does he tell Luke to search his feelings?
Obi-Wan Kenobi: ISTJ 6w5 Sp/So
Anakin Skywalker: ENFP 8w7 Sx/So
I think I agree on Obi Wan though.
Originally posted by Elfboy
bold: agreed for the most part. although Anakin seems to use lots of Se, Ni and Ne so his information gathering function is sorta hard to figure out
underlined: disagree. ISXP are introverted as hell a lot of the time. all of the ones I've met don't even say anything unless you are talking about a subject they're intimately familiar with
italics: Anakin is not a 4w3. he's a power lusting sexual 8w9. powerful, defiant, protective
Originally posted by Speed Gavroche
Obi-Wan Kenobi: ISTJ 6w5 Sp/So
Anakin Skywalker: ENFP 8w7 Sx/So
His information gathering is for the most part Fi-Se-Ni combination, I've yet to see him ever use Ne, thus logically ISFP fits. But I still think he's more of a 4, he's moody, emotional, narcissistic, temperamental, and focused way to much on himself and his ambition to succeed. I could see why this makes him appear to be an 8, but a wing 9 seems rather unlikely.
Not sure if Obi-Wan from the prequels is ISTJ, I was thinking INFJ, but that might be because he's that type in the original trilogy. But Anakin is not ENFP, nor is he an 8, and he's sp and sx, not so.
EDIT: post 777
Originally posted by Elfboy
that is SO 8 more than it is 4. 8s are by far the most ambitious of all the enneagram types.
PS: on a side note, I think Qui Gon is ENTJ 8w9
4 and 3, especially 3, can be just as ambitious. Besides, unhealthy 4's with wing 3 tend to be extremely jealous, hostile, prone to severe destructiveness, and emotional problems. Anakin doesn't care about being a strong leader (8) he cares about being a better Jedi simple because of his over inflated ego (4).
Not sure what Qui-Gon's type is, his character was too shallow for me to make any sorta guess.
I think you're all going to be disappointed when I tell you that I see all three Anakin Skywalkers as ENTJ.
I can see the expertise with robotics and the desire to compete when young.
I can see the driven behavior and self-confidence as a teenager.
I can see his desire for control and dominance as an adult.
Really, am I the only one? Sigh...
I think you're all going to be disappointed when I tell you that I see all three Anakin Skywalkers as ENTJ.
I can see the expertise with robotics and the desire to compete when young.
I can see the driven behavior and self-confidence as a teenager.
I can see his desire for control and dominance as an adult.
Really, am I the only one? Sigh...
Originally posted by Elfboy
1.I still disagree
- he totally cares about being a strong leader,
- 4s main motivation is self expression, Anakin's isn't
- 3s main motivation is admiration from others. Anakin doesn't care about this at all
- 8s and 3s are ambitious, but for different reasons. there are more ambitious 3s, but the most ambitious people (billionaires) are almost all 8s and 5s
- Anakin is possessive as hell like unhealthy sexual 8s
- wanting to be a strong leader is more of a social 8 thing. Sexual 8s like Anakin do a little bit, but generally they'd much rather just do their thing and take care of their spouse and kids
- Anakin's stress is 5. 2 is growth, not his stress. when we see Anakin at his happiest, he's warm, affectionate and taking care of Padme making sure she is alright. at his worst he's 5-ish as hell.
Originally posted by Athenian200
I think you're all going to be disappointed when I tell you that I see all three Anakin Skywalkers as ENTJ.
I can see the expertise with robotics and the desire to compete when young.
I can see the driven behavior and self-confidence as a teenager.
I can see his desire for control and dominance as an adult.
Really, am I the only one? Sigh...
It seems like the story of an ENTJ going from a healthy state to madness.
Luke is clearly xNFP, on the other hand.
All those traits you describe can belong to other types.
It's about motivation and expressions of motivation.
Sorry.
I think one thing that would help would be if you got a full range of experience with human beings in day-to-day life.
That sort of experience was an eye-opener for me; it helped me recognize type as a holistic self, not just as an abstracted list of character traits, and I could begin to recognize when people were "similar."
Anakin want appreciation froms his peers and to be a respected member of the Jedi counsel, when he doesn't get that he resent the Jdei counsel entirely. He's jeaslous at Obi-Wan for not being accepted and praised, he lives off his emotions and almost nothing else. That goes beyond just Fi, that is if anything a pure indicator of 4 gone out of control.
Since when are 5's more mabitous than 3's? I don't see why his ambition is more 8 than 3 or 4. Also, possesivness could be attributed to any enneagram type, so I'd be skeptical about labeling a pure 8 quality. And I see no social varient in Anakin, social varients are freindly and complient, Anakin is the opposite of that, he's selfish and hostile, thus sp/sx (I say sp first because aside from Padme, he really only cares about himself).
I don't see how Anakin's stress is 5 at all; 5's are the analytical observer types, Anakin never seems to use his brain ever.
Actually, Vader I could see as an ENTJ, what with all the ruthless Te and even his "Join me Luke, and together we can overthrow the emperor and rule the galaxy as father and son!" sounds like it could potentially be Ni, with his true feeling that are buried deep inside of him as his inferior Fi.
Little Anakin, I dunno, since his character was nothing more than 'perfect little angel boy who is annoying', ENTJ could be possible.
Teenage Anakin, doubt it; never once do I see him use Te or T at all in any proficiently logical manner. He's far too governed by his emotions to be inferior Fi.
Originally posted by Elfboy
the distinction must be made between appreciation and respect. wanting respect is common in all types, especially 8s. other types want it, but 8s demand it (8s feel that they are constantly needed to check people who are disrespecting them). appreciation is praise for your accomplishments and feedback from your peers, respect merely requires that people accept the way you do things and let you do your thing without interuption (you can see this is very important for an 8) Anakin displays no desire to fit in or be appreciated. anakin makes it clear from the get go that he is not just going to be another model goody 2 shoes jedi. what he does display is a plee for guidance that the Jedi basically respond with "oh, you're not supposed to feel that, stop feeling that". he really just wants them to make him a jedi master so that they can stop barking orders at him. although he does have the moodiness of a 4, the types of emotions he has are the difference. with the exception of his feelings for Padme, Anakin's feelings come primarily from his gut and instincts like those of an 8. he goes not his instincts much more than his instincts. trust me, if you study a few examples of type 4s, you will see that they are nothing like Anakin
Actually, maybe instead of one enneagram type, 8 and 4 are part of his tri-type.
In which case Anakin would be 4w3 - 8w9 - 5w6, not neccessarily in that order.
Originally posted by Elfboy
I'm fairly certain type 8 is first, but yes I would agree. his tritype is probably 8-4-7 or 8-4-5.
ENFP 8w7 Sx/Sp.