Alea_iacta_est
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(I'd advise reading the first thread over before reading this one if you haven't seen this before, otherwise you are going to be utterly lost)
A few weeks ago, I had a thread titled "An Atheistic/Agnostic viewpoint on Reincarnation", where I discussed the contradiction of Existence and Nonexistence, and the cycle of life and death through what could be described as pseudo-reincarnation. This thread will be more concise in my explanation and will elaborate more on something I have termed the "super-consciousness", which is merely a title for something that can't truly be described in terms of consciousness and mind (spoiler: it's nothing and everything).
From my last thread, I mentioned that we would be "reincarnated" again after falling into the black abyss that is death, and this raised a lot of points concerning the fact that consciousness is a product of the brain; therefore, it must cease to exist when the brain ceases to exist, which is actually entirely true. Therefore, it must also be true that when we die, we dissociate from ourselves. Our consciousness, our mind, our memories, and our thoughts fade from existence. We cease to be ourselves, and enter the plane of nonexistence.
(You may need reference back to the old thread to reach my conclusion, which is on page 2 of this sub-forum I think)
If you will recall, I explained in the other thread how there is no such thing as nonexistence if there is an existence. I did this by using our own births, the moment our consciousness awakened, to prove that there is infinite potential for something to exist if it did not exist beforehand. Through this logical system of proving nonexistence's apparent nonexistence, and using the fact that when we die, we cease to exist, then we come to the conclusion that we never truly stop existing when we die, an utter paradox. So if we don't stop existing, yet we don't function/experience/live/exist, then what happens? We go the route of nonexistence, which consequently is to come back into existence (from which we never left). The only other thing that could possibly happen would be to simply be reborn in another body.
Now, before someone calls this out, we aren't we by the time this has occurred. We are absolutely nothing, not consciousness, and nothing else. The way I have chosen to explain this is by using a concept that I have created called the "super-consciousness" (super only meaning above in this context). When we die, we transition to nonexistence, which I'm now going to call the super-consciousness ( I only use it in this context to help illustrate the idea, the super-consciousness is and isn't nonexistence truly). The super-consciousness has everywhere to go (because it is non-existent and has infinite potential to exist), but it has no physical, mental, or existing form. What can it do then? It can rejoin the plane of existence and occupy a body, which happens to contain a mind, a physical form, a consciousness, an identity, and etc. What I'm pointing to is that our consciousness does not transition with us (if we can even call ourselves "us" at this point), but the point-of-view does, and that is what the super-consciousness represents, the point-of-view. We die, and with us our consciousness, our mind, and all of our personality; however, the super-consciousness survives because it always has, which is in part due to the fact that it is, essentially, nothing.
I'll answer any questions and will elaborate on any other detail that are requested to be illustrated more clearly.
A few weeks ago, I had a thread titled "An Atheistic/Agnostic viewpoint on Reincarnation", where I discussed the contradiction of Existence and Nonexistence, and the cycle of life and death through what could be described as pseudo-reincarnation. This thread will be more concise in my explanation and will elaborate more on something I have termed the "super-consciousness", which is merely a title for something that can't truly be described in terms of consciousness and mind (spoiler: it's nothing and everything).
From my last thread, I mentioned that we would be "reincarnated" again after falling into the black abyss that is death, and this raised a lot of points concerning the fact that consciousness is a product of the brain; therefore, it must cease to exist when the brain ceases to exist, which is actually entirely true. Therefore, it must also be true that when we die, we dissociate from ourselves. Our consciousness, our mind, our memories, and our thoughts fade from existence. We cease to be ourselves, and enter the plane of nonexistence.
(You may need reference back to the old thread to reach my conclusion, which is on page 2 of this sub-forum I think)
If you will recall, I explained in the other thread how there is no such thing as nonexistence if there is an existence. I did this by using our own births, the moment our consciousness awakened, to prove that there is infinite potential for something to exist if it did not exist beforehand. Through this logical system of proving nonexistence's apparent nonexistence, and using the fact that when we die, we cease to exist, then we come to the conclusion that we never truly stop existing when we die, an utter paradox. So if we don't stop existing, yet we don't function/experience/live/exist, then what happens? We go the route of nonexistence, which consequently is to come back into existence (from which we never left). The only other thing that could possibly happen would be to simply be reborn in another body.
Now, before someone calls this out, we aren't we by the time this has occurred. We are absolutely nothing, not consciousness, and nothing else. The way I have chosen to explain this is by using a concept that I have created called the "super-consciousness" (super only meaning above in this context). When we die, we transition to nonexistence, which I'm now going to call the super-consciousness ( I only use it in this context to help illustrate the idea, the super-consciousness is and isn't nonexistence truly). The super-consciousness has everywhere to go (because it is non-existent and has infinite potential to exist), but it has no physical, mental, or existing form. What can it do then? It can rejoin the plane of existence and occupy a body, which happens to contain a mind, a physical form, a consciousness, an identity, and etc. What I'm pointing to is that our consciousness does not transition with us (if we can even call ourselves "us" at this point), but the point-of-view does, and that is what the super-consciousness represents, the point-of-view. We die, and with us our consciousness, our mind, and all of our personality; however, the super-consciousness survives because it always has, which is in part due to the fact that it is, essentially, nothing.
I'll answer any questions and will elaborate on any other detail that are requested to be illustrated more clearly.