Cloud of Thunder
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- MBTI Type
- INFJ
- Enneagram
- 4
On the surface, these two seem alike in terms of emotional expression and maybe even core values, but what are some distinguishing characteristics?
^^ Given that statement, I wonder if I'm actually a 1. It's almost always among my top 3 scores, next to 3, 4, and 5.
4w5 would rather reform themselves while 1w9 would rather reform the world. 4w5s cultivate their identity through feelings, 1w9s cultivate their endeavors with their deeply held values. 4w5s are more likely to feel overwhelmed whereas 1w9s are more likely see a need to mediate.
I'm a 4w5 and I tend to feel a sort of kinship with 1w9s because I get the impression that we're both idealists, but where I'm naive and hopeful about how we might rehash things for the better, 1w9s tend to be a bit more realistic and perhaps more frustrated, cynical, and prudent about what projects they start.
Perhaps I look endearing to them when I integrate into point 1. Lol.
I think both types tend to also become fixated on things to be improved upon, so their occupations have a tendency to be well defined. Where 5s would rather grind a faulty system/theory/idea into dust, a 4 might see the potential in it, and a 1 may say that it's not worth their time at all. If the 4's hopefulness is a consummate aspect of its identity, then perhaps a 1 might gain a more global perspective, leaving room for later reforms without being so personally attached. I'm thinking the instincts probably play a large roll in this as well. 4s tend to become their ideas incarnate, 1s just toss ideas out there if they find something lacking.
While everyone has core values, I don't think it's wise to say that just because 1s and 4s may have similar tendencies means that their egos hold these tendencies as some sort of deliberate agenda. Enneagram points are like drivers, which may operate unconscious to the individual. What individuals hold to be true or worthy are going to differ, even if their behaviors and methods are the same.
1s tend to strike me as tending to hang over slightly on the extraverted side, while 4s have a more evident tendency toward introversion.
1s also tend to have a more robust appearance of confidence about them because social acceptance tends to be a lower priority.
I like this quite a bit.
This is purely observational, so don't take it seriously, but have noticed that emotionally speaking, 4s are more likely to indulge. Even if they're in the pits of depression, there's usually some weird kind of masochistic pride that they have achieved emotional lows and understand the darkness in human nature. It's like "I'd rather feel pain than nothing at all." Whereas 1s I know are more likely to repress this kind of thing and keep denying and denying that they're depressed at all, until it all explodes out of them in a fit of temper and they get embarrased, percieving themselves as "weak."
I like this quite a bit.
This is purely observational, so don't take it seriously, but have noticed that emotionally speaking, 4s are more likely to indulge. Even if they're in the pits of depression, there's usually some weird kind of masochistic pride that they have achieved emotional lows and understand the darkness in human nature. It's like "I'd rather feel pain than nothing at all." Whereas 1s I know are more likely to repress this kind of thing and keep denying and denying that they're depressed at all, until it all explodes out of them in a fit of temper and they get embarrased, percieving themselves as "weak."
It's funny you mention that because I'm actually trying to get over a sudden bout of depression, and with that usually comes self-pity and some degree of self-indulgence.4s seem to have a greater need for self-expression and desire to be seen as unique. I joined another smaller typology forum where there was a poster of same type and instinctual stackings as me. Our profiles looked quite similar, so he immediately made some changes to his profile I'm assuming to differentiate himself and stand out. As a 1 such things do not catch my attention.
4s also deal with some emotions that don't seem to affect 1s. I remember several type 4 forum members making posts about their issues with envy and self-pity. The former emotion I simply don't experience as a 1, while the later is mainly suppressed. When people start pitying themselves I immediately develop an angry reaction and a desire to tell them to grow a backbone.
On the other side 4s are more creative than me, especially when it comes to self-expression. I often don't express my feelings, it seems foreign to me. I am more rigid in my thinking, less adaptable, more practical and give preference to ideas that have some use or can be implemented into real life.