Doctor Cringelord
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i rarely find myself agreeing with you... this is a pleasant deviation from that trend...
post script:
i am not sure the word narcissists was requisite...
It's pretty basic that if a person does bad shit they can be shunned or looked down on.
so why then is cancel culture bad?
Cancel culture is a dress rehearsal, we know what they did in the 20th century, and they want to do it again, click Cancel Culture is a Dress Rehearsal for Mass Murder | Stefan Molyneux - YouTube.
This is terribly simplistic, towards this logic my country/culture shouldn't have engaged in canceling the legacy of our Communist government or our Fascist government ... and a few other dictatorships we had. As a matter of fact many of our current social problem are arising from the fact that this process didn't go far enough. Therefore in the bottom line cancel culture is basically just a tool that can be used for good or bad stuff. Since some things evidently need to be canceled (before they cancel quite a number of other subjects). In other words: good luck with defending Australia from China without cancel culture.
Agreed. Some ideas have been tried to disastrous results, and are therefore worth either cancelling or undergoing extreme revision. Colonialism, Fascism, authoritarian Communism, Fundamentalism, unregulated Capitalism all jump to mind.
Yeah, as I said before: I don't think that average western person fully understands what you get when you cancel the cancel culture.
On my formal high school photos of the entire class I have people giving Nazi salutes. Also on TV I have talks shows that openly glorify fascist movement and toy with "history books".
On the other hand I have people still celebrating various Communist holidays and there are streets and squares still named after various Communist icons. Many local authorities are flirting and making friendships with totalitarian countries like Russia, China and their satellites. Through which help they are undoing our legal system and media freedoms. Plus they are selling them assets in exchange for dark money or whatever. Also I have foreign war criminals and rapists walking around the country, since the state decided to forget the crimes done against itself and it's people. Plus from the roof I see mountains in the neighboring country and there are Islamist camps in those hills. Which are pretending to be villages, since someone from outside bough the whole half abandoned villages for peanuts.
Therefore I am kinda allergic to all western people who think that freedom of speech is something of ultimate value. Since here basically all social problems are starting from the fact that cancel culture and therefore deradicalization didn't go far enough. If there is something that will cost us darely this is evidently it.
I pretty much blame the ACLU for perpetuating this shit. They made changes yes, but it's far too late.
I pretty much blame the ACLU for perpetuating this shit. They made changes yes, but it's far too late.
Yeah, as I said before: I don't think that average western person fully understands what you get when you cancel the cancel culture.
On my formal high school photos of the entire class I have people giving Nazi salutes. Also on TV I have talks shows that openly glorify fascist movement and toy with "history books".
On the other hand I have people still celebrating various Communist holidays and there are streets and squares still named after various Communist icons. Many local authorities are flirting and making friendships with totalitarian countries like Russia, China and their satellites. Through which help they are undoing our legal system and media freedoms. Plus they are selling them assets in exchange for dark money or whatever. Also I have foreign war criminals and rapists walking around the country, since the state decided to forget the crimes done against itself and it's people. Plus from the roof I see mountains in the neighboring country and there are Islamist camps in those hills. Which are pretending to be villages, since someone from outside bough the whole half abandoned villages for peanuts.
Therefore I am kinda allergic to all western people who think that freedom of speech is something of ultimate value. Since here basically all social problems are starting from the fact that cancel culture and therefore deradicalization didn't go far enough. If there is something that will cost us darely this is evidently it.
My main issue is how harmful speech is determined, and by whom. I could see Republicans or shitty centrist Democrats using it as a cudgel against someone like Rashida Talib or Ilhan Omar, for instance. I definitely remember supporters of the Iraq War throwing around charges of antisemitism against opponents, for instance. (One guy who did this constantly on another site I posted on had a Hillary Clinton avatar, and of course he wasn't Jewish.)
I don't think Holocaust denial, for instance, contributes anything of value to discussions, but I'm not sure I want to place the power to decide acceptable speech in the hands of the sorts of people who would probably end up making those decisions.
This is terribly simplistic
Yes, I am writing in a telegraphic medium for the simple minded victims of a business cult.
So how do we make sure our civilization promotes the "right" kinds of free speech and discourages the "wrong" kind without breaching into totalitarianism?
Under free speech in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights there is no right free speech and no wrong free speech.
Those who seek unlimited power first want the power to limit speech. They want to tell us what to say, and what to think, and who we say it to.
I don't know, I feel like the answer kind of depends on simple math to me, but I'm not entirely certain.