Random Politics Thread

[ceecee]

True but the party with which they compare the republicans didn't implode. They had identity crisis in the 90s and then with Putin they found the part forwards. In other words rebranding in my book isn't really the end of a concept. GOP if it accepts various minority issues and quiets down the anarcho-capitalism talking points could very quickly bounce back. Since fundamentally US is socially conservative country.

I don't believe that. The small group that fears the majority (and if you look at most social issues - they are supported by the majority of people in the US) have been working non stop since the beginning of the 20th century to instill that fear in as many as possible, as deeply as possible.

Here is an excellent article on one of these groups. It's 5 years old but I really hope more people get acquainted with West Coast Straussianism.

The Pro-Trump Intellectuals Who Want to Overthrow America | The New Republic

By the way, many of these people wrote the rebuttal to the 1619 project - The 1776 Commission which was pure negationist ideology, very little history, very similar to the Lost Cause ideology . And when some here use terms like "natural rights" or "western civilization" or even when using terms like "human nature" in this regard, what they mean is white, male and generally Christian and insist that is what the Founders also meant. True - American laws were written by and to benefit white, male, land owning Christians. But that isn't the majority of people in the US and they don't hold those views.

 

[Virtual ghost]

I don't believe that. The small group that fears the majority (and if you look at most social issues - they are supported by the majority of people in the US) have been working non stop since the beginning of the 20th century to instill that fear in as many as possible, as deeply as possible.

Yeah but I do believe in that claim, since I probably see general social conservatism different than you.



You don't have a new constitution or currency with every generation.
You rarely change more basic laws.
Even in the most liberal areas the religon is a thing and you don't have political parties that openly attack church at the most fundamental level.
You censure bad language on TV and your elite doesn't talk on TV about "sucking cooks" to prove a point to journalists.
You generally respect the existence of private property and support the rule of law in all of it's forms.
Etc Etc.



For me social conservatism simply means that you never venture too far from "the book".
But that is some other topic.

 

[Jaguar]

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lol.

 

[Kephalos]

Ben Shapiro has elevated the conservative idignant hissy fit to an art form.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I'm not a psychologist, but I think the excessive consumption of cable news contributes to my Dad's mental health issues. I don't get why it needs to be on at every waking moment. Yes, I get that you're very delta and you see it as your duty to be informed about current events, but maybe find some other things to focus on too? I take a break from following things too closely if I feel like I have too much on my plate; I don't understand why both of my parents refuse to do that. I suspect they'd be happier if they did.

 

[Jaguar]

Very Delta? What the fuck . . .

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Very Delta? What the fuck . . .

Like STJ/NFP delta. You know, quadrants and all that?

 

[Jaguar]

I was making fun of "all that."

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I was making fun of "all that."

Oh, I see then.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

I'm not a psychologist, but I think the excessive consumption of cable news contributes to my Dad's mental health issues. I don't get why it needs to be on at every waking moment. Yes, I get that you're very delta and you see it as your duty to be informed about current events, but maybe find some other things to focus on too? I take a break from following things too closely if I feel like I have too much on my plate; I don't understand why both of my parents refuse to do that. I suspect they'd be happier if they did.

sounds like my mother. She's constantly streaming MSNBC talking heads. It's not as bad as Fox, but still. Such doom and gloom, and constant repetition of talking points and narratives. That stuff wears me out mentally.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

sounds like my mother. She's constantly streaming MSNBC talking heads. It's not as bad as Fox, but still. Such doom and gloom, and constant repetition of talking points and narratives. That stuff wears me out mentally.

Yeah... my Mom and Dad are both really bad about that. I think at least in the case of my Dad, he sees it as his duty or something. My mom sees it as "witnessing history" but there is so much stuff they leave out and don't mention. Maybe it's not type-related, but I do find it foreign to me. I guess it also has something to do with TV being the new thing when they were growing up. Based on the footage I've seen, though, there's a big difference between television journalism then, and television journalism now, much of which doesn't even pretend to be about something other than selling a narrative.

 

[Jaguar]

Bernie sells a narrative.

Elizabeth sells a narrative.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Bernie sells a narrative.

Luckily I don't have "Bernie TV" blaring in the background during all my waking hours.

Sanders is a politician, who I like because he seems less full of shit than a lot of the other ones. I'm talking about journalistic outlets that have been putting on a big show over the past four years as being defenders of truth and democracy (yeah while boosting Trump's popularity and ratings in 2015 and 2016 lol).

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

This is some low level trolling.

Also a laugh, considering the substance of progressive policy positions is usually glossed over by the neoliberal media.

Your Fi is showing.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

This is some low level trolling.

Probably.

 

[Jaguar]

Turn off the TV, now. Watch lunatics rant on YouTube and Twitter instead!

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Turn off the TV, now. Watch lunatics rant on YouTube and Twitter instead!

I have really been following very little of anything political over the last few weeks because my mood has been crap and I didn't think it would help. Only thing I know is that we bombed Syria again but apparently can't raise the minimum wage (shocking, lol), and that Neera Tanden's nomination is stymied because of Joe Manchin (which I love).

 

[Lark]

This is some low level trolling.

Also a laugh, considering the substance of progressive policy positions is usually glossed over by the neoliberal media.

Your Fi is showing.

Why do you say that?

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Why do you say that?

I think because somebody else responded to a rant I had about something unrelated with a bunch of irrelevant unsubstantiated criticisms and insinuations. I don't see why the conversation suddenly became about Bernie.... I'm guessing it's the neolib version of the conservative "but Clinton" game.

I don't see how it's intellectually valid to compare a politician with a journalistic outlet, at any rate.

 

[ceecee]

Yeah... my Mom and Dad are both really bad about that. I think at least in the case of my Dad, he sees it as his duty or something. My mom sees it as "witnessing history" but there is so much stuff they leave out and don't mention. Maybe it's not type-related, but I do find it foreign to me. I guess it also has something to do with TV being the new thing when they were growing up. Based on the footage I've seen, though, there's a big difference between television journalism then, and television journalism now, much of which doesn't even pretend to be about something other than selling a narrative.

I don't think it's type related. The problem mine have is Facebook and The Wall Street Journal. The shit that pours out of their mouth you can read in this publication verbatim. I've said it before - the WSJ's business and stock information gives them a veneer of trustworthiness and respectability and that is blow to pieces in their opinions pages. Total neolib and paleoconservative vomit. All cooperate media is the same - I'm not playing that game. I can read reputable independent journalism on my own - I don't need it pureed and fed by Rachel Maddow or Chris Cuomo but I think a lot of olds do.