Trump vs. Biden

[Jaguar]

Bill Barr Pushes Justice Department to Go After Voting Issues Before Election Day

If the Goal Is to Ratf*ck the Country Into Confusion About the Election, Bill Barr Is Doing His Part

“It’s unusual that they’re carving out this exception,” said Vanita Gupta, the former head of the DOJ Civil Rights Division under President Barack Obama. “It may be creating a predicate for the Justice Department to make inflated announcements about mail-in vote fraud and the like in the run-up to the election.” In a break from long-standing practice last month, a U.S. attorney in Pennsylvania publicly announced that the DOJ was investigating whether local elections officials illegally discarded nine mail-in military ballots. Attorney General William Barr personally briefed Trump on the case before it was publicly announced, The Washington Post reported.

But did anyone actually give a shit? No. Why? It wasn't fraud.

 

[Totenkindly]

With Trump refusing to participate in a virtual town-hall-style debate with Biden next week, the former vice president booked a solo town hall with ABC News for Oct. 15.

The second presidential debate was scheduled for that date in Miami, but Trump balked at the Commission on Presidential Debates’ decision to have the two candidates participate remotely rather than on stage together in light of the president’s recent coronavirus infection.

The ABC News event will be moderated by anchor George Stephanopoulos and will take place in Philadelphia, where Biden’s campaign headquarters are located. The event will remain a town hall format, in which Biden will take questions from voters — a forum that plays to his strengths.

Pretty smart.

• Taking advantage of a date his opponent bailed on.
• Not playing to rallies like Trump (who are the already converted) but to a general audience with actual interaction.
• Getting the next word in alone -- without being interrupted repeatedly by his opponent -- to solidify what he plans to do, he can shape this conversation however he wants.
• Doing this before the next two debates even happen -- and voting has already been underway. There are votes that are going to lock in, by the time Trump gets back into a debate and can turn any tide, if that's even possible. Even if Trump tries to disrupt the later debates, Biden already has said his piece.

 

[FemMecha]

Realclearpolitics "No Tossups" Electoral College Map Comparison. The idea that in 2016 Hillary was a "lock" according to the pollsters/pundits does not seem apparent based on the map below. This year seems somehow different than 4 years ago....

I read that the Baby Boomer crowd preferred Trump last time, but not this time. I think they were probably not ready for a woman president which is not the issue here. That is also the one demographic more consistently taking the pandemic seriously because they are at a stage of life that is more realistic about death. Even deep in Trump territory where live the elderly were the only ones wearing masks. I don't think they feel safe with Trump who can't even keep his own family safe. Biden will be appealing to the elderly, including his demeanor. I see Florida and Arizona are for Biden now which is consistent with the Baby Boomer crowd since those are the major retirement states.

 

[Jaguar]

Polls: Biden leads Trump among seniors by double digits - Axios

 

[Stigmata]

Polls: Biden leads Trump among seniors by double digits - Axios

Discouraging mail-in voting amongst your party tends to have that effect. Well, not to mention letting grandma and grandpa die for the sake of your stockmarket.

 

[The Cat]

‘Where are all of the arrests?’: Trump demands Barr lock up his foes - POLITICO

@_@

 

[Jaguar]

The Great Commonwealth of Pennsylvania would absolutely die without the jobs and dollars brought in by Fracking. Massive numbers! Now Biden & Harris, after Radical Left Dem Primaries, are trying to change their stance. Pennsylvania wants Energy and Second Amendment!

Frack Check: Trump inflates Pennsylvania fracking job figures by 3500 percent | News | Pittsburgh | Pittsburgh City Paper

Trump claimed there are currently 940,000 natural-gas jobs in Pennsylvania. A gross exaggeration.
According to multiple analysis and data from state and federal labor departments, there are around 26,000 jobs in Pennsylvania’s oil and gas industries. Trump inflated the amount of fracking jobs in Pennsylvania by more than 3500%.

According to a March analysis of federal employment data by environmental group Food & Water Watch, there were approximately 636,000 jobs directly related to oil and natural gas extraction from 2016-2018 nationally. In Pennsylvania, there were 26,000 jobs in these industries during this time span.

Byedon 2020.

 

[ceecee]

 

[The Cat]

he's gonna try to break the country on his way out. thats what monsters do with their toys so others cant enjoy them...

 

[Z Buck McFate]

‘Where are all of the arrests?’: Trump demands Barr lock up his foes - POLITICO

@_@

Trump twice amplified supporters’ criticisms of Attorney General William Barr, including one featuring a meme calling on him to “arrest somebody!” He wondered aloud why his rivals, like President Barack Obama, Democratic nominee Joe Biden and former Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton hadn’t been imprisoned for launching a “coup” against his administration.

“Where are all of the arrests?” Trump said, after several dozen tweets on the subject over the past 24 hours. “Can you imagine if the roles were reversed? Long term sentences would have started two years ago. Shameful!”
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I wish someone (knowledgeable about the law) would write a long thing on all the different criminal charges Trump has waiting for him at the end of January. To give us something to look forward to. To help us through this last leg of the journey.

 

[Stigmata]

Nancy Pelosi to introduce legislation related to the 25th amendment

As dumb as this is as far as letting the Trump campaign continue to shoot themselves in the foot and further allow the election to gets away from this, this is an absolute slam dunk for the Republican party. You'd even have the perfect out with is base by detailing how the steroids would compromise his cognitive ability -- not out denouncing Trump, but pitching it as a temporary transference of power.

This is the rescue boat passing right beside you as you're stuck in the eye of a cat 5 hurricane, if you're a Republican member of Congress. This is their chance to cut the abscess of Trumpism off and give the appearance of taking the high road after 3 1/2 years of absolute complicity. Will they entertain it? Absolutely not. I think they know the Titanic is sinking, but figure if they can stack enough conservative judges throughout the court system, including appoint Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court, is worth going down in a blaze of glory to them.

This will never, ever happen though.

 

[Totenkindly]

I wish someone (knowledgeable about the law) would write a long thing on all the different criminal charges Trump has waiting for him at the end of January. To give us something to look forward to. To help us through this last leg of the journey.

I am very reserved in this kind of thing, I never count my velociraptors until they are hatched.

I'm not sure whether that's because I have been surprised / kicked in the teeth in the past by making assumptions, or due to my natural strategizing of "Never let the opposition know your plans and/or let your opposition remain unmotivated and unaware of what's coming so they won't adjust to avoid it", but I basically wait until it's a done deal, unless it somehow plays into a larger strategy, and then once you know you've won -- once there is no way they can do anything about it -- then grind it in. Sometimes it takes a lot of reserve to keep my mouth shut, but I just don't want to overplay the hand.

Nancy Pelosi to introduce legislation related to the 25th amendment

As dumb as this is as far as letting the Trump campaign continue to shoot themselves in the foot and further allow the election to gets away from this, this is an absolute slam dunk for the Republican party. You'd even have the perfect out with is base by detailing how the steroids would compromise his cognitive ability -- not out denouncing Trump, but pitching it as a temporary transference of power.

This is the rescue boat passing right beside you as you're stuck in the eye of a cat 5 hurricane, if you're a Republican member of Congress. This is their chance to cut the abscess of Trumpism off and give the appearance of taking the high road after 3 1/2 years of absolute complicity. Will they entertain it? Absolutely not. I think they know the Titanic is sinking, but figure if they can stack enough conservative judges throughout the court system, including appoint Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court, is worth going down in a blaze of glory to them.

This will never, ever happen though.

See above, but what's the strategy in this? I mean, maybe there is one, and honestly he's been so off the rails due to COVID and medications and natural bent in the last week, he really should be stepping down now (so it's not a false request), but I don't know why to stir the hornet's nest unnecessarily with only a few weeks to go.

is it just to maintain precedent so Admt 25 maintains value for the future? or just betting the GOP shoots it down, making themselves look worse and anchor themselves to a sinking ship? (but what if the GOP actually decides to survive and springs for it?) Or dragging their focus away from the SCOTUS issue, to run out the clock?

I'm unclear on what the intention is, exactly.

 

[Stigmata]

I am very reserved in this kind of thing, I never count my velociraptors until they are hatched.

I'm not sure whether that's because I have been surprised / kicked in the teeth in the past by making assumptions, or due to my natural strategizing of "Never let the opposition know your plans and/or let your opposition remain unmotivated and unaware of what's coming so they won't adjust to avoid it", but I basically wait until it's a done deal, unless it somehow plays into a larger strategy, and then once you know you've won -- once there is no way they can do anything about it -- then grind it in. Sometimes it takes a lot of reserve to keep my mouth shut, but I just don't want to overplay the hand.



See above, but what's the strategy in this? I mean, maybe there is one, and honestly he's been so off the rails due to COVID and medications and natural bent in the last week, he really should be stepping down now (so it's not a false request), but I don't know why to stir the hornet's nest unnecessarily with only a few weeks to go.

is it just to maintain precedent so Admt 25 maintains value for the future? or just betting the GOP shoots it down, making themselves look worse and anchor themselves to a sinking ship? (but what if the GOP actually decides to survive and springs for it?) Or dragging their focus away from the SCOTUS issue, to run out the clock?

I'm unclear on what the intention is, exactly.

My thought was perhaps it's subtle trolling mixed with yet another anti-trump news headline that grabs the attention of undecided/independents who may not of paid attention to how even moreso erratic his behavior has been since returning from Walter Reed. As I said, this will never happen, but on the same token I think it would be a great way for both congressional Republicans and the party as a whole to save face in the court of public opinion over his administration's blunders, while not outright denouncing Trump as a whole and segmenting his base.

 

[Totenkindly]

My thought was perhaps it's subtle trolling mixed with yet another anti-trump news headline that grabs the attention of undecided/independents who may not of paid attention to how even moreso erratic his behavior has been since returning from Walter Reed. As I said, this will never happen, but on the same token I think it would be a great way for both congressional Republicans and the party as a whole to save face in the court of public opinion over his administration's blunders, while not outright denouncing Trump as a whole and segmenting his base.

Pelosi is kind of like Clinton, some people are cool with her while others really hate her. So I think she needs to watch how she plays this. Maybe someone else could get away easier with trolling.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Averages from 538:


New Hampshire: Biden +10.7
Virginia: Biden +12.5
Colorado: Biden +11.8
New Mexico: Biden +13.8


These states are evidently out of the race, they went too far into the blue and there is no time and resources to turn this around.

 

[The Cat]

I am very reserved in this kind of thing, I never count my velociraptors until they are hatched.

I'm not sure whether that's because I have been surprised / kicked in the teeth in the past by making assumptions, or due to my natural strategizing of "Never let the opposition know your plans and/or let your opposition remain unmotivated and unaware of what's coming so they won't adjust to avoid it", but I basically wait until it's a done deal, unless it somehow plays into a larger strategy, and then once you know you've won -- once there is no way they can do anything about it -- then grind it in. Sometimes it takes a lot of reserve to keep my mouth shut, but I just don't want to overplay the hand.



See above, but what's the strategy in this? I mean, maybe there is one, and honestly he's been so off the rails due to COVID and medications and natural bent in the last week, he really should be stepping down now (so it's not a false request), but I don't know why to stir the hornet's nest unnecessarily with only a few weeks to go.

is it just to maintain precedent so Admt 25 maintains value for the future? or just betting the GOP shoots it down, making themselves look worse and anchor themselves to a sinking ship? (but what if the GOP actually decides to survive and springs for it?) Or dragging their focus away from the SCOTUS issue, to run out the clock?

I'm unclear on what the intention is, exactly.

I'm pretty sure the strategy is a hail mary at this point. but theyre also trying to cover their asses for the next Trumpesque candidate waiting in the wings.

 

[Jaguar]

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[Totenkindly]

Has Trump and Mike Pompeo seriously been trying to litigate Hillary Clinton's e-mails again from 2016, hoping that it will stave off their bleeding aorta?

I've been seeing this pop up online, I'm just kinda like... WTF?

First of all, pathetic. Second of all, if that is their only strategy at this point, then they have already lost in any relevant way.

 

[ceecee]

Has Trump and Mike Pompeo seriously been trying to litigate Hillary Clinton's e-mails again from 2016, hoping that it will stave off their bleeding aorta?

I've been seeing this pop up online, I'm just kinda like... WTF?

First of all, pathetic. Second of all, if that is their only strategy at this point, then they have already lost in any relevant way.

I'm sure it's a distraction but I was like - damn, she should drop out of the race and give her support to Biden.

Oh wait...

 

[Virtual ghost]

Here is also my map that is "educated opinion".

In other words Biden towards polls and general social climate managed to do something that I consider quite important. He managed to gather more than 270 in Safe D and Likely D, what makes it really hard for Trump to surprise. Since margins seem to be pretty high in enough of the states. Also Georgia, Iowa and Ohio are basically toss ups that seem to show truly marginal lead for Biden. However since he is the one with momentum I gave him those those 3 states, although they are probably anyone's game at this point. However if the rest of the map is correct they truly don't matter on presidential level.