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I just remembered Splice and how funny it is to see how uncomfortable that movie makes people. One of the characters kept making decisions that were so ridiculous throughout everything and that dragged down the movie a lot. I still wonder how a second movie would handle the hybrid baby situation.

Splice: Why The Sci-Fi Horror Movie's Sequel Never Happened

I never realized that Natoli also did "Cube." It makes sense, I think I had the same vibes off both films. I haven't seen them for some years though.
 

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On Oct. 29 I read a review in The Herald about the movie “Birth.” It was given a four-star rating by Herald movie reviewer Robert Horton. Mr. Horton described a scene from the movie where a 10-year-old boy, Sean, appears as the “reincarnated” husband of Anna (Nicole Kidman). He went on to describe a scene in which Sean and Anna end up in the bathtub together. To me this sounds like child pornography. Isn’t child pornography against the law in America?

I have been taught at [...] church that some things are just wrong, and this would be one of them.

Oh, the irony.
 

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So why does Laurie Holden always end up cast as a jerk?

I finally watched the first Fantastic Four movie, and she's got a bit role of the girlfriend who dumps Ben Grimm as soon as he gets turned into The Thing and dumps her engagement ring in the street for him to retrieve.
 

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So why does Laurie Holden always end up cast as a jerk?

I finally watched the first Fantastic Four movie, and she's got a bit role of the girlfriend who dumps Ben Grimm as soon as he gets turned into The Thing and dumps her engagement ring in the street for him to retrieve.

I can’t remember, was it The Majestic where she played a non-jerk?

I dunno, I think she just has a face that lends itself well to jerk characters, sorta like James Spader, who even plays protagonists like slight jerks everyone still wants to see punched in the face.
 

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I can’t remember, was it The Majestic where she played a non-jerk?

I dunno, I think she just has a face that lends itself well to jerk characters, sorta like James Spader

Yeah, I was thinking that while envisioning her -- she's got Resting Jerk Face typically.

Man I have not seen The Majestic since, like, it came out. I didn't even remember she was in it -- I just remember Jim Carrey. I guess I should have guessed now that I am reviewing the crew list, it was a Darabont film and DeMunn shows up too (TWD cast pre-assembly).
 

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Cinema was pretty much screwed this year, even with the attempt to reopen. It's just not really time yet, despite their efforts.

I don't think Tenet was good or appealing enough to win Inception-like crowds but would have made more if they had waited. Then again, I'm not sure how long the cinemas can stay low-key or restrain, and still not go out of business. I think small films might be able to do okay, if in part because of smaller expectations PLUS smaller venues (although maybe there is some trade off on the NEED to see a film in the theater). The big issue is the blockbusters, which might look better on a large screen but also raise a lot of concerns about audience traffic and vulnerability since they're more likely groups to experience virus influx for many reasons.

‘Tenet’ Earns $6.7 Million, Total Box Office Is Under $15 Million: Theaters Are in a World of Hurt
 

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I imagined how Raimi’s Spider-man trilogy would have been cast if made in the 80s:


Peter/Spider-man: Casey Siemazsko
MJ Watson: Molly Ringwold
Harry: Eric Stolz
Aunt Mae: Jessica Tandy
Uncle Ben: Hume Cronyn
Norman/Green Goblin: Dabney Coleman
Jameson: Robert Loggia
Flash Thompson: Thomas F. Wilson
Eddie/Venom: James Spader
Doc Ock: Jeffrey Combs
Gwen Stacy: Kelly Preston
Flint Marko/Sandman: Fred Ward
Dr Connors: Sidney Poitier
Unnamed cameo: Stan Lee

I based these on how he casted the 2000s trilogy, tried to use slightly less likely or expected choices, like Spader for Venom. I remember that the Venom casting in particular was a point of contention for a lot of fans when SM3 came out, since Brock should be a streetwise beefcake rather than a sniveling preppie. Nothing against that 70s show dude, just a weird choice
 

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The original Fantastic Four (from 2005?) feels jarring now mostly because of Chris Evans being cast as Johnny Storm, kind of the anti-Captain America. It's like totally against the hero persona we've grown to love over the last decade. (And also the build, he's put on a LOT more heft as Caps.)

It's interesting how it predates Iron Man, the opening salvo (or one of them) by the MCU, now that we see what Marvel built over the years. Fantastic Four is not built from that cloth. It is essentially a film evoking a lot of feelings from the actual comic. I would call it a B film except that it's a bit better than that, but also it doesn't try to achieve as much. If you read the comic and enjoyed it and don't expect more from a film, it is pretty WYSIWYG. The origin story. The interactions, which aren't dramatically deep, they're like comic books but on screen. The archetypal character types (Reed is the over-thinker lost in his experiments who doesn't know how to be human, Johnny is the impatient hellion who loves experience and takes joy in doing, Ben is the tragic tortured hero trapped in a body that makes him a monster, and Sue... well, Sue fails the Bechdel test and is kind of the fourth wheel with unclear aspirations that don't involve Victor or Reed... just like the early comic, ha.)

Honestly, this is what I thought when I watched the film. I couldn't get that emotionally invested in the drama of the film but basically it's an amiable comic book film that is exactly what you would expect, with no imaginative or destructive turns of plot or character. It's pretty much paint by numbers. Even the comic book action with powers is exactly like what you might have seen in the comic, including some amusing turns by Reed and his stretching abilities, to the degree I was surprised they put it in a film. (And it was perfectly fine and even amusing.)

The Fantastic Four is an interesting group because they never did the secret identity thing. They were always celebrities and/or public figures. The film plays into that. Some of the Avengers are more covert -- if not secret identities, at least covert ones aside from Iron Man and Cap who were known publicly but could still manage to go undercover at times... not so for the FF, really. And this shows up in the film, where they are either mobbed on the streets or immediately hit the tabloids.

There's some things that still feel weird. Like, Reed and Sue don't really have any chemistry and I have no palpable understanding of why Sue wants to be with Reed. (At least with Victor, despite being a jerk, he's good-looking and rich when the film opens. Reed is like Victor but without the money, charisma, or ambition.) Sue's character also is underwritten, as mentioned above but also casting Jessica Alba and dolling her up all the time makes her this weird "pretty face" person when that kind of approach typically doesn't conform to her professional background. It all feels kind of fake. Likewise, it's not clear what makes Ben appealing to his ex, and it's not clear why Alicia falls for him. And so on. It all stays kind of assumptive and superficial.

Basically the film is "if you liked the 70-80's comic, watch this film. Nothing unexpected. Nothing screwy. Nothing too deep. Just exactly what you'd anticipate."
 

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Yeah, I was thinking that while envisioning her -- she's got Resting Jerk Face typically.

Man I have not seen The Majestic since, like, it came out. I didn't even remember she was in it -- I just remember Jim Carrey. I guess I should have guessed now that I am reviewing the crew list, it was a Darabont film and DeMunn shows up too (TWD cast pre-assembly).

It’s cool how much he reuses his character actors. Demunn had a bit in Shawshank too

FWIW, I think she was born in the wrong era. Holden looks like she could have been a 1940s star
 

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The original Fantastic Four (from 2005?) feels jarring now mostly because of Chris Evans being cast as Johnny Storm, kind of the anti-Captain America. It's like totally against the hero persona we've grown to love over the last decade. (And also the build, he's put on a LOT more heft as Caps.)

It's interesting how it predates Iron Man, the opening salvo (or one of them) by the MCU, now that we see what Marvel built over the years. Fantastic Four is not built from that cloth. It is essentially a film evoking a lot of feelings from the actual comic. I would call it a B film except that it's a bit better than that, but also it doesn't try to achieve as much. If you read the comic and enjoyed it and don't expect more from a film, it is pretty WYSIWYG. The origin story. The interactions, which aren't dramatically deep, they're like comic books but on screen. The archetypal character types (Reed is the over-thinker lost in his experiments who doesn't know how to be human, Johnny is the impatient hellion who loves experience and takes joy in doing, Ben is the tragic tortured hero trapped in a body that makes him a monster, and Sue... well, Sue fails the Bechdel test and is kind of the fourth wheel with unclear aspirations that don't involve Victor or Reed... just like the early comic, ha.)

Honestly, this is what I thought when I watched the film. I couldn't get that emotionally invested in the drama of the film but basically it's an amiable comic book film that is exactly what you would expect, with no imaginative or destructive turns of plot or character. It's pretty much paint by numbers. Even the comic book action with powers is exactly like what you might have seen in the comic, including some amusing turns by Reed and his stretching abilities, to the degree I was surprised they put it in a film. (And it was perfectly fine and even amusing.)

The Fantastic Four is an interesting group because they never did the secret identity thing. They were always celebrities and/or public figures. The film plays into that. Some of the Avengers are more covert -- if not secret identities, at least covert ones aside from Iron Man and Cap who were known publicly but could still manage to go undercover at times... not so for the FF, really. And this shows up in the film, where they are either mobbed on the streets or immediately hit the tabloids.

There's some things that still feel weird. Like, Reed and Sue don't really have any chemistry and I have no palpable understanding of why Sue wants to be with Reed. (At least with Victor, despite being a jerk, he's good-looking and rich when the film opens. Reed is like Victor but without the money, charisma, or ambition.) Sue's character also is underwritten, as mentioned above but also casting Jessica Alba and dolling her up all the time makes her this weird "pretty face" person when that kind of approach typically doesn't conform to her professional background. It all feels kind of fake. Likewise, it's not clear what makes Ben appealing to his ex, and it's not clear why Alicia falls for him. And so on. It all stays kind of assumptive and superficial.

Basically the film is "if you liked the 70-80's comic, watch this film. Nothing unexpected. Nothing screwy. Nothing too deep. Just exactly what you'd anticipate."

I liked Victor in that movie. That dude could so play Dracula or a James Bond villain
 

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I mean Ward has that blue collar look and quality that would have been perfect for an 80s version of Marko

And Tandy and Cronyn were like THE benevolent elderly couple of the 80s lol
 

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I based these on how he casted the 2000s trilogy, tried to use slightly less likely or expected choices, like Spader for Venom. I remember that the Venom casting in particular was a point of contention for a lot of fans when SM3 came out, since Brock should be a streetwise beefcake rather than a sniveling preppie. Nothing against that 70s show dude, just a weird choice

Good old Topher Grace. He's continuing to do solid work as the Incel du jour (re: Twilight Zone 2020, etc).
 

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I actually think Christopher Young was a better fit than Danny Elfman was to score Raimiverse SM. His blacksuit Spider-Man theme is one of my favorite super hero movie motifs of all time. Though to be fair, he was basically trying to score SM3 in a very Elfmanesque style. If I didn’t know he wrote the blacksuit theme, I’d probably have guessed Elfman wrote it. I am glad they kept Elfman’s main theme in though. I abhor when series don’t maintain thematic consistency with the music. Like when Silvestri didn’t use any of the Goldsmith material when he scored Mummy II

To be fair, that means they make less while the composer of the last film gets royalties for the use of their themes... Joe Renato said this when interviewed as to why he didn’t bring back any of Goldsmith’s themes in Poltergeist III. I did like his score but it might have been nice to at least hear Carol Anne’s theme referenced once, maybe for the end titles

EDIT, I typed Renato but it's actually Joe Renzetti
 

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I like to blow everyone's mind by pointing out that it's supposed to be Wilmington, Delaware. Wilmington has a sign that says "A Place to Be Somebody", and naturally, they blow up all the credit card companies at the end. A lot of credit card companies are based in Wilmington.

I dated someone from Wilmington when I lived in Philly. Yup.

Is there anything else in Wilmington?

I was there for about 30 minutes once (I was hanging out with a trucker friend who needed to run a shipment there), but literally did nothing aside from sitting in the truck.
 

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Is there anything else in Wilmington?

I was there for about 30 minutes once (I was hanging out with a trucker friend who needed to run a shipment there), but literally did nothing aside from sitting in the truck.

There's a nice park by the Christina river with an abandoned mill that's been converted into luxury apartments. And an art museum with cool Dale Chihuly sculptures.
 
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