The Murder of George Floyd & Subsequent Protests/Riots

[anticlimatic]

Perhaps but that wasn't really my point. My point is that all of this is god given for presenting US as failed state that lost track of reality. What can easily lead into geopolitical tectonic shifts. (as I already explained)

We are going to get a bipartisan supported police reform bill out of this and that will be that. The overwhelming majority of Americans living and enjoying their lives are not represented by the clowns you see on the news. I don't know why you are so desperate to paint the US as a failed state. You were wrong about Covid being the nail in our coffin and you're wrong about the current civil unrest being it too. Just because there's a civil war going on between the stupidest extremes of both political ends right now (all you will ever see from the media) doesn't mean the center is gong to come unmoored.

 

[Siúil a Rúin]

Also...

Why would chokeholds not already be outlawed everywhere? Why would any state or department allow it? Besides it being an obvious dumb decision to ever choke someone, you don't know that person's medical history either. For one example, what if someone has asthma & goes into anaphylaxis? See this is what we need guys. Actual plausible solutions that at least 99% of us could get behind. BAN CHOKEHOLDS EVERYWHERE.

This was posted on FB by a police trainer Dave Bissonnette

I’ve had numerous people approach me and ask me my opinion regarding the police use of force in Minneapolis. I normally don’t speak out like this in such a public forum but my heart is broken with what I am witnessing across the country and right here in our own state and I feel the need to say something.

I have been a police officer for 19 years. For 16 of those years, I have taught Use of Force and Police Arrest & Control techniques at the recruit level at the Municipal Police Academy and at numerous departments throughout southern New England on an in-service level. I have trained thousands of cops. My training not only includes physical tactics and techniques to control a violent and combative individual but also the physiological, psychological and legal aspects that officers face during this type of event. I am a certified Force Analyst through the Force Science Institute and also teach a course in police diffusion and de-escalation techniques. I have conducted numerous Police Use of Force reviews throughout the state and am considered a subject matter expert by the RI Attorney General in the area of Police use of Force. I’m not saying all this to impress anyone. I really don't care what anyone thinks about me. I’m saying it because I want to establish credibility with anyone that reads this post. I know what the f**k I’m talking about.

I have watched and reviewed the George Floyd video countless times. In all my years doing this, I have never seen a more blatant disregard for human life than what I witnessed in that video. It haunts me. It made me sick to my stomach. I can’t stop thinking about it. I’ve seen plenty of suffering and death in 19 years but have never watched a man die while the people who are supposed to protect them watched it happen and did nothing.

Kneeling on someone’s neck is not a technique that is taught or accepted anywhere that I’m aware of. As a matter of fact, we specifically tell recruits and cops NOT to kneel anywhere near the spine or neck because you can paralyze or kill someone. There are countless other ways to control someone on the ground that don’t involve putting your knee into a person’s neck with all your weight for over 8 minutes.

That is my professional opinion. Now for my personal feelings on the matter:
To “Officer” Derek Chauvin, who is the officer seen kneeling on Mr. Floyd’s neck, I have this to say to you: You Bastard. You Son of a Bitch. You and two other officers knelt on George Floyd’s neck and back and you watched him die. George Floyd was handcuffed and proned out on his stomach. Please don’t say you were holding him down because he couldn’t have pushed himself up off the ground if he wanted to. He was controlled. Once someone is controlled the use of force ends. Period. It is then the officer’s duty to check the well being of the subject to be sure he is not hurt or in distress. I don’t care how hard he fought you. I don’t care if he was on drugs. You had a duty to act! The smug look on your face said it all. You didn’t care that Mr. Floyd was begging for air and calling out for his Mother. You have no honor. And the other three officers are just as culpable. They didn’t act to stop you. You are all cowards. I wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire.

Now the country is burning down. And you were the spark. Your fellow officers are getting injured and killed. Even officers in your own city. Your brothers. I hope you can live with that for the rest of your life. I hope you can live with the suffering and pain you started. You have put us all in a position where we now have to defend ourselves against angry mobs with bricks and bats and other weapons who group us in with you. Well I am not like you. We are not like you. You are the 1%. I will NEVER be like you. I would rather die than be like you.

To my family and friends and those I care about who are not police officers and maybe don’t understand, please know that no one hates a dirty, piece of shit cop more than a good cop who does this job with honor and pride. I beg you, do not judge the 99% of good police officers based on the actions of an ignorant and evil few.

If you want to protest what happened, please do. Reach out to me. I will march with you peacefully just like thousands of other cops across the nation and mourn what has happened. I will kneel and pray with you. And when I put my uniform on, I will protect your right to peacefully protest because I took an oath to do so.

To my brothers and sisters that put on this uniform every day. Do not let what you see on TV jade you into thinking that this is what it is all about. The majority of people out there are good, honest hard working people who support you and what you stand for. Remember that. We don’t want to be judged by the actions of a shameful few and neither do the people we serve. Support the people we are sworn to protect. Hold your heads high and serve with honor and integrity.

To the rioters, I speak for all of law enforcement when I ask: PLEASE STOP. Your actions are solving nothing. You are not mourners or protesters. You are thugs and opportunists. You are cowards. You are destroying people’s lives and your behavior will not be tolerated. People are going to get hurt. Please do not test our resolve when it comes to protecting our flock. Enough is enough. This is not the legacy that George Floyd deserves.

Thank you for listening.

 

[ceecee]

Also...

Why would chokeholds not already be outlawed everywhere? Why would any state or department allow it? Besides it being an obvious dumb decision to ever choke someone, you don't know that person's medical history either. For one example, what if someone has asthma & goes into anaphylaxis? See this is what we need guys. Actual plausible solutions that at least 99% of us could get behind. BAN CHOKEHOLDS EVERYWHERE.

Ask the police union heads that pay for this guy to come train their police.

Free of charge if there is some pesky liberal mayor or governor trying to ban shit like this.

Remember Philando Castile? His killer had "warrior training", also by Dave Grossman.

Philando Castile shooting: "Warrior" training debated

In a suburb of St. Paul.

The police and their unions and legislative backers fight to keep all of these and the tactics alive and well.

Human rights are not political, these clowns and their supporters politicize it to create apathy in voters and juries. Insurance pays these huge awards for wrongful death, passed on to tax payers, rinse and repeat.

 

[Luminous]

3. Unconcious bias is not real. How can I have racist thoughts that I don't even know I'm having? I know my own thoughts & they are conscious. I in no way ever act racist towards other people. I do not subscribe to being a mind reader of anyone else, & actions matter more than thoughts that people do not act on anyway.

Unconscious bias is unconscious, so they wouldn't be thoughts you're aware of.

Unconscious biases are social stereotypes about certain groups of people that individuals form outside their own conscious awareness. Everyone holds unconscious beliefs about various social and identity groups, and these biases stem from one’s tendency to organize social worlds by categorizing.

Unconscious bias is far more prevalent than conscious prejudice and often incompatible with one’s conscious values. Certain scenarios can activate unconscious attitudes and beliefs. For example, biases may be more prevalent when multi-tasking or working under time pressure.

Unconscious Bias | diversity.ucsf.edu

Take this or some of the other tests on this site and see what scores you get: Project Implicit

Anyone who thinks they are completely aware of all their thoughts, motivations, and biases is mistaken and needs to stop being so arrogant.

 

[Virtual ghost]

We are going to get a bipartisan supported police reform bill out of this and that will be that. The overwhelming majority of Americans living and enjoying their lives are not represented by the clowns you see on the news. I don't know why you are so desperate to paint the US as a failed state. You were wrong about Covid being the nail in our coffin and you're wrong about the current civil unrest being it too. Just because there's a civil war going on between the stupidest extremes of both political ends right now (all you will ever see from the media) doesn't mean the center is gong to come unmoored.

Because you never look wider picture.
The current situation for me is fail and fail is subjective term. You seem to have over a million registered cases in the country, while I have them 11. Even if we both started with patient zero at the airport/border. So I am sorry I am biased, for me this is a fail until this point in time. You still seem to be adding about 20 000 new cases daily and when that stops I will change my position on Covid (what I said before and I will keep my word if I see the long term changes in the trend). Your media have shifted the perspective but the problem isn't really solved. This is still ongoing battle which you don't even seem to be willing to fight too much, as you say people are enjoying their lives. If this is really the case your media really deserve pure F on the issue.


To put my cards on the table my local media reports on US right now look as US reports on Iraq or Venezuela. This is exactly why I am saying the image damage is serious, what is really the truth isn't really that much part of the argument. However if there is image damage people start to search for alternatives and the Russia/China are offering themselves all over the place as new friends.



Also take a look at this, since it is fresh.

China is not a military threat, EU top diplomat says



EU is uncertain about what to do in current situation but if the block decides to side more with Russia and China the USA as it is will be automatically over. Since it will be at serious economic and population disadvantage because this will no longer will be 2:2 but 3:1. 300 million Americans vs. over 2000+ million Euroasians. While the rest of the world is fairly dependent on China for medical supplies in this pandemic or has deep ties with China from even before this mass started. You are constantly wondering why I am so negative and the situation in almost a checkmate in global picture. The fact that Trump is currently threatening with some retreating of troops from Europe is not helping either. Imagine what will be if someone says "just leave already", what EU said to UK. However in this new world order the Dollar surely will not play dominant role and your production will still remain in China for the most part (while you get to keep you tens of trillions in debts). I am sorry but you just don't seem to realize where we are in this "game". Although this is probably something that your media or politicians don't want to show the people because it is "too much". It is enough that Europe simply decides to be neutral for the most part and that will seriously shift power. However if you don't have pandemic under control you basically fail automatically since you get economically choked in your own home and even the military can't work properly.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

Un-fucking-believable.

 

[ceecee]

Un-fucking-believable.

This is just a pile of human garbage trying desperately to get re-elected.

 

[evilrubberduckie]

@virtual_ghost

Are you middle eastern? You must be middle eastern.

 

[Virtual ghost]

@virtual_ghost

Are you middle eastern? You must be middle eastern.

I am curious, what makes you say that ?


(I never set foot on the middle east)

 

[evilrubberduckie]

I am curious, what makes you say that ?


(I never set foot on the middle east)

Very cynical.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Very cynical.

I am afraid those are my Slavic East-european genes. Plus I am pretty sure we are in general more cynical than middle eastern people.

 

[Cupcakemonster]

Unconscious bias is unconscious, so they wouldn't be thoughts you're aware of.


Unconscious Bias | diversity.ucsf.edu

Take this or some of the other tests on this site and see what scores you get: Project Implicit

Anyone who thinks they are completely aware of all their thoughts, motivations, and biases is mistaken and needs to stop being so arrogant.

When I took it without distractions (because I first tried to take it 2 different times while watching a TV show & rapid fire picking my choices which was a dumb idea lol) I got no preference. 1st time I got moderate preference for European. 2nd time I got slight preference for African American. 3nd time was no preference.

So not seeing a correlation there of me having a racial preference?

What's wrong with arrogant?

 

[Luminous]

What's wrong with arrogant?

Gee I don't know. Why would it be important to be able to step back and question and look at whether one is infallible? Gracefully admit mistakes and try to do better? No one is perfect. Though I guess if you prefer arrogance, we have the perfect president for that.

 

[Cupcakemonster]

Gee I don't know. Why would it be important to be able to step back and question and look at whether one is infallible? Gracefully admit mistakes and try to do better? No one is perfect. Though I guess if you prefer arrogance, we have the perfect president for that.

I see you don't get sarcasm. lol

But Trump's personality doesn't actually bother me. I find him quite entertaining, honestly.

 

[Cupcakemonster]

Gee I don't know. Why would it be important to be able to step back and question and look at whether one is infallible? Gracefully admit mistakes and try to do better? No one is perfect. Though I guess if you prefer arrogance, we have the perfect president for that.

People get so serious so quickly. Wow. Humor just seems to go right over people's heads way too often.

No, I'm not arrogant. Arrogant would imply that I look down on others, & I try my best to never do that.

I do try to maintain high confidence though. I think I do a pretty good job of it, unless I'm unusually stressed.

 

[Luminous]

I see you don't get sarcasm. lol

But Trump's personality doesn't actually bother me. I find him quite entertaining, honestly.

I do in fact get sarcasm.
I see you don't care to take serious issues seriously.
If you think the bigoted, racist, sexist, deluded, arrogant, ignorant, pompous, dangerous, callous, obnoxious, cowardly president is merely entertaining, you aren't taking any of it seriously. And there's no point in talking to you.

 

[Luminous]

Humor just seems to go right over people's heads way too often.

You're posting in a thread about someone being murdered. I'm not going to apologize for taking that seriously. It's about the most serious thing there is.

 

[Cupcakemonster]

I do in fact get sarcasm.
I see you don't care to take serious issues seriously.
If you think the bigoted, racist, sexist, deluded, arrogant, ignorant, pompous, dangerous, callous, obnoxious, cowardly president is merely entertaining, you aren't taking any of it seriously. And there's no point in talking to you.

Ooooh I see you're the type that doesn't talk to people who disagree with your beliefs/point of view. Cool.

I'm actually really into politics, so you are wrong that I don't take politics seriously. I consider myself a right leaning libertarian who's in favor of very small government, & I spend a lot of time doing research on political things that I find interesting.

I don't see Trump that way, but ok. I also don't agree with quite a few of his stances of things, so it's not like I'm above criticizing him either though.

Maybe you should try to gather new information from people with different views than your own rather then just being like "you don't 100% agree with me in every way, so I just won't talk to you".

 

[Cupcakemonster]

You're posting in a thread about someone being murdered. I'm not going to apologize for taking that seriously. It's about the most serious thing there is.

But I in no way insulted George Floyd or black people. I made a joke about myself, because you insinuated that I &/or my way of thinking was arrogant.

 

[Cupcakemonster]

[MENTION=35566]Luminous[/MENTION] maybe don't call someone names or attribute mean attributes to someone & you won't get a sarcastic response.