The Murder of George Floyd & Subsequent Protests/Riots

[FemMecha]

It looks like the police unions are in part responsible for keeping cops active who have committed brutality and false reports.

How Police Unions Became Such Powerful Opponents to Reform Efforts - The New York Times

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Cue the retreat into abstraction: The problem mustn’t be political leaders and the decisions they make — that can’t be it, because progressives have all the power in these cities — and so the problem instead must be something without a fixed address and regular business hours: systemic racism, white supremacy, white privilege, capitalism, etc. It isn’t that racism is imaginary, any more than crime, poverty, or government corruption is imaginary. But Minneapolis hasn’t been governed by abstractions all these years. It has been governed by people.

Political leaders are indeed part of the problem. Many problems facing this country are actually caused by bipartisan policies, which is somthing I've been hammering home here, and I'm sure you've read some of those posts.

Which is why your response to my long post was "cities are run by democrats" deserved nothing but derision from me. You're not interested in debating me, you're interested in debating a straw man, or at best, a partisan hack, which I am not.

It would be intellectually dishonest, for instance, to call the war on drugs, a Republican policy , so that's not what I do. I acknowledge the roel Democrats have played in enacting these policies. Which is why your response was so lame. I think you should have known better than to respond to me that way, and the fact that you didn't, well.. that tells me everything I need to know.

I think I'm just going to respond to all of your posts by blaming Democrats for a while. I don't think they deerve more seriousness.

Jesus. Yes of course, that's why Switzerland riots at every opportunity. It's the rampant individualism and consumerism.

Ah yes, the famous Swiss tsunami of 2019, and how well behaved everyone was. Hi French anticlimactic!

 

[ceecee]

Jesus. Yes of course, that's why Switzerland riots at every opportunity. It's the rampant individualism and consumerism.

Aren't you French? That makes your bitching about Americans protests and riots even funnier.

 

[evilrubberduckie]

I went put to protest in th los angeles area yesterday. I didn't want to be with the throngs of people protesting downtown because Covid is still very real, so I went protesting by myself along the beach boardwalk.

A lot of white people cheered with me when they saw my sign and said "good for you"

Black people would walk up and nod at me, some ignored me, not wanting to reward me for doing whats necessary. I also got a lot of "Thank yous" from them. Which upset me the most. I didn't want to be thanked, this is the least I can do. It's sad to be thanked for doing the bare minimum.

I was angry at the white people who would tell me "good for you" because it was Condescending. I know what they mean "look at you helping them, thats so cute" why aren't you? I was mad. But I stayed quiet and kept walking. I didn't want my emotions to take precident over what I was really doing, which was using my privilege to make the voices of my black community be louder.


I walked through 3 city districts. My legs are so sore T.T worth it tho.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

Aren't you French? That makes your bitching about Americans protests and riots even funnier.

He keeps farting in our general direction.

As per Holy Grail.

 

[ceecee]

He keeps farting in our general direction.

As per Holy Grail.

English pig dogs, I blow my nose at you.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

There's probably some of that happening as well. It's just like Monty Python said it would be.

 

[Red Memories]

While I agree more situations could be handled by these peacekeepers, what's the plan for things like severe domestic violence or murder?

I don't think these peacekeepers are going to keep a terribly drunken man from murdering his wife or something.

I'm for using some of these solutions, but I am not sure how completely dismantling the police force would help with certain situations... Unless we're defunding to the point this is what they do and not so much basic calls or etc.

 

[anticlimatic]

It looks like the police unions are in part responsible for keeping cops active who have committed brutality and false reports.

How Police Unions Became Such Powerful Opponents to Reform Efforts - The New York Times

As a conservative I've always been very anti-union. I admit police brutality was never something that showed up on my radar, but I've long considered them hot beds of corruption and inefficient community prosperity killers. They suck money out of communities, give their members some decent benefits with some of that money, and funnel the bulk of it to democratic politicians who act as their lobbyists for purposes of keeping them in power. This is why mayors will not likely back the dismantling of police unions, since the unions likely contributed greatly to electing them.

It really just comes down to the money in my opinion, not some magical idea of 'systemic racism.' Which is good news, because that means we might be able to do something about it.

Crime rates are lower in these US cities with fewer violent incidents

The cities with the lowest violent crime rates tend to share several other socioeconomic characteristics as well – notably, economic prosperity. “The more affluent a place is, the less crime there is on average,” Roman said. Indeed, the vast majority of the cities on this list have a low unemployment rate and a high median household income – some even rank among the wealthiest places in the country.

Crater cities like Detroit need to focus on providing incentive for people who have money to invest it in the downtown area, which they can do by lowering taxes- though they will have to make tough budget decisions to do so. But when you have nobody to tax, having a high tax rate isn't going to help anyone, so I think it would be worth it to figure out a way to do it instead of clinging to an ever shrinking status quo. Once they attract some investors, a city has to keep those investments safe. Crime- including looting and rioting, will only further kill the prosperity of a city and ultimately push its crime rates up- ultimately pushing conflict with the police up. If the investments are kept safe, it will draw more people in to live and work. More people in the community will have employment opportunities as a consequence, and the solution should begin to snowball back into a first world city.

 

[ceecee]

While I agree more situations could be handled by these peacekeepers, what's the plan for things like severe domestic violence or murder?

I don't think these peacekeepers are going to keep a terribly drunken man from murdering his wife or something.

I'm for using some of these solutions, but I am not sure how completely dismantling the police force would help with certain situations... Unless we're defunding to the point this is what they do and not so much basic calls or etc.

John Oliver explains ‘defund the police’ — and why it doesn’t mean ‘no police’ - MarketWatch

Only Tucker Carlson thinks it means: “Defund the police. No more cops. That’s what they’re fighting for."

 

[rav3n]

This is a brilliant idea since a policeman who's not eligible for insurance, can't be a cop.

Minneapolis police reform plan would require insurance for officers | PBS NewsHour

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Several advocacy groups presented their own recommendations Monday to reform law enforcement practices in Minneapolis, a day after the majority of the City Council voiced support for abolishing the police department entirely in the wake of George Floyd’s death.

Minnesota’s Council on American-Islamic Relations, two Black Lives Matter chapters and the Minneapolis nonprofit Communities United Against Police Brutality were among the groups that gathered Monday at the site of the burned Third Precinct station to present more than 40 recommendations.

Under the list of recommendations, officers would be required to carry their own professional liability insurance, an idea that aims to hike out-of-pocket insurance rates for officers who engage in high-risk conduct. Some of the worst offenders would become uninsurable and forbidden from working as a police officer.

The groups also are seeking an independent agency to investigate and prosecute critical incidents involving police; mandatory psychological testing for officers; and community participation in negotiating police union contracts. They would end so-called “warrior” training for officers and the use of no-knock warrants, while banning military equipment in community policing as well as neck restraints and chokeholds.

 

[Red Memories]

John Oliver explains ‘defund the police’ — and why it doesn’t mean ‘no police’ - MarketWatch

Only Tucker Carlson thinks it means: “Defund the police. No more cops. That’s what they’re fighting for."

Okay on second thought I'm completely for defunding the police because there's nothing that's angered me more in the modern era besides the brutality and etc. than HOMELESS PEOPLE BEING ARRESTED IN SOME STATES LITERALLY FOR BEING HOMELESS.

I MEAN HOW THE ACTUAL FUCK CAN THEY HELP THAT?

thank you for the input. It makes it more about my second point wondering if they actually indeed meant just lowering the police scope.

 

[ceecee]

Okay on second thought I'm completely for defunding the police because there's nothing that's angered me more in the modern era besides the brutality and etc. than HOMELESS PEOPLE BEING ARRESTED IN SOME STATES LITERALLY FOR BEING HOMELESS.

I MEAN HOW THE ACTUAL FUCK CAN THEY HELP THAT?

thank you for the input. It makes it more about my second point wondering if they actually indeed meant just lowering the police scope.

Another thing you can look at are the budgets of cities. How much is budgeted for police and how much is budgeted for everything else. I don't mean obvious big cities either.

This Forbes article is 3 years old.

How Much Do U.S. Cities Spend Every Year On Policing? [Infographic]

Here is a much more recent article.

Map of how much local and state government spend on police per capita - Business Insider

So the topic has been around for awhile.

 

[Red Memories]

Another thing you can look at are the budgets of cities. How much is budgeted for police and how much is budgeted for everything else. I don't mean obvious big cities either.

This Forbes article is 3 years old.

How Much Do U.S. Cities Spend Every Year On Policing? [Infographic]

Here is a much more recent article.

Map of how much local and state government spend on police per capita - Business Insider

So the topic has been around for awhile.

Wow...

also weirdly Wyoming surprises me. like everyone who has come from there tells me nothing ever happens there...
but then not much shit happens in Idaho either...so like...why?
why that much?

 

[The Cat]

Wow...

also weirdly Wyoming surprises me. like everyone who has come from there tells me nothing ever happens there...
but then not much shit happens in Idaho either...so like...why?
why that much?

why indeed. Think of the future.

 

[Maou]

I am all for police accountability, but is Minneapolis really fucking serious about disbanding their entire police force? That is fucking stupid. How long till it becomes the lawless city? Whats the difference between police, and "community based public safety"? You mean militians and gangs? Good fucking luck.

Minneapolis To Disband Police Department

 

[rav3n]

I am all for police accountability, but is Minneapolis really fucking serious about disbanding their entire police force? That is fucking stupid. How long till it becomes the lawless city? Whats the difference between police, and "community based public safety"? You mean militians and gangs? Good fucking luck.

Minneapolis To Disband Police Department

Old news. They're looking at reforming them. Refer to my prior post. They want cops to insure themselves, rather than taxpayers paying over a billion dollars for brutal cops who've been sued and lost.

 

[Maou]

Old news. They're looking at reforming them. Refer to my prior post. They want cops to ensure themselves, rather than taxpayers paying over a billion dollars for brutal cops who've been sued and lost.

Ah okay, was gonna say...

 

[Virtual ghost]

To put my cards on the table I think this mess basically ended the last argument for western style multiculturalism in my part of the world. This was generally seen as bad idea even before this and now the idea will further loose the ground. Especially due to quite strong turn towards the right and big government.

 

[ceecee]

Wow...

also weirdly Wyoming surprises me. like everyone who has come from there tells me nothing ever happens there...
but then not much shit happens in Idaho either...so like...why?
why that much?

An excellent question that deserves to be questioned by residents, discussed and voted on. Police departments regardless of size, can get federal funding and as we have discussed, Department of Defense equipment.

There are 4,250 people in the town near me. The police budget is almost $1 million. However, there is a state police post and two county sheriff departments nearby. Why does this place need this much police funding when there is no lack of police? Why does the fire department/EMT get several hundred thousand less when it's far more likely they get more calls than police? Why does this county have 3 "mine-resistant ambush protected" vehicles from the 1033 program?? The answer I got is that they are just keeping up with the times. But the crime levels here tell a totally different story.