2020 Democratic Party primary thread

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

It's baffling too, because I seem to remember him talking about being in support of universal healthcare and some economic regulations in the past.

He thinks Trump has a pure heart because all the other Manhattan billionaires don't invite him to their parties or something. In all likelihood, SFP is probably like those people that only vote on abortion, but for immigration. That would be a missing piece of the puzzle that would cause the whole thing to make much more sense. If universal healthcare and economic regulations are way lower on the list of priorities than immigration, that would explain his support for Trump.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Anyway, I think if the stock market continues to fall, Trump's chances of re-election are much slimmer, even with Biden in the picture.

I got a message saying today that an interview I had was cancelled because the company put on a hiring freeze because of the stock market. I'm not necessarily saying I want that, but I'm just observing.

I suppose it is proof of the ineffable rightness of capitalism that it is an economic system that can tank and undergo collapse just because a bunch of pampered Manhattanites are overreacting to this stupid virus. It's truly the best thing humans have ever created and will ever create.

 

[highlander]

No. Trump will be president for 5 more years. Biden getting the nomination is about appeasing Democratic donors and trying to hold on to the House. They are conceding the election and everything from here on is kabuki theater.

I don't think so. Trump is the least popular president this country has ever had. He won't stay in office.

 

[ceecee]

I don't think so. Trump is the least popular president this country has ever had. He won't stay in office.

Yes, he will. The moderates will make sure he does.

 

[á´…eparted]

I don't think so. Trump is the least popular president this country has ever had. He won't stay in office.

He won't win the election as indeed he is wildly unpopular and has far less support than is realized, and voter turnout for the left is going up. The margin in 2016 was already close too, and Hillary actually won the popular vote.

The issue isn't the vote though, it's the cheating. I fully anticipate that Trump will refuse to leave office and pull a scorched earth policy from Nov-Jan.

He won't leave office except by gunpoint, or gunshot. We can just hope that when that time comes, enough people remain that follow norms enough to know they no longer serve him and are not beholden to his commands.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

The Iowa Electronic Markets have been a better forecaster of presidential races than any polling, with shares usually closely following the national vote shares. I'll be following them closely in the coming months. One caveat, they were *technically* wrong in 2000 and 2016, though they accurately predicted the popular votes.

 

[Jaguar]

BERNIE SANDERS IS SUDDENLY THROWING HIS ARMS AROUND OBAMA
After Super Tuesday setbacks, Sanders runs a new ad featuring praise from the popular former president—a shift for the progressive who hasn’t looked back as longingly on the Obama years.

Bernie Sanders Is Suddenly Throwing His Arms Around Obama | Vanity Fair

“Bernie is somebody who has the virtue of saying exactly what he believes, and great authenticity, great passion, and is fearless,” Obama says in the voiceover, taken from the Politico interview. Another audio clip comes from Obama’s speech at the Democratic convention in 2016, in which he lauded Sanders as he called for the party to unify behind the senator’s opponent, Hillary Clinton. “I think people are ready for a call to action,” Obama said. “They want honest leadership who cares about them. They want somebody who’s gonna fight for them. And they will find it in Bernie.”

“That’s right, feel the Bern!” Obama said.


Though Obama indeed said these things about Sanders, the ad is somewhat misleading. The audio is cut together to sound like an endorsement—but Obama has made clear he does not want to offer any public support for a candidate in the primary, saving his endorsement for the general against Donald Trump.

Bernie and Mini Mike. Not so far apart in their tactics after all.

 

[SearchingforPeace]

I don't think so. Trump is the least popular president this country has ever had. He won't stay in office.

Maybe you should look at those popularity numbers again, especially when compared to Obama 8 years ago. Just because you have a strong emotional reaction to Trump does not mean everyone else does.

Most people vote over personal financial issues. Are they better off today, are they making more money, etc.

In 96 and 2012, Republucans were certain that the Democratic incumbent was unpopular, largely based upon success in 94 and 2010. Yet both Clinton and Obama were easily re-elected.

Trump is getting re-elected and the DNC insured that by having Mayor Pete and Klobacher withdraw before Super Tuesday and have Warren stay in.

The party decided to keep in control with a general election loss rather than have a turnover in power.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Maybe you should look at those popularity numbers again, especially when compared to Obama 8 years ago. Just because you have a strong emotional reaction to Trump does not mean everyone else does.

Most people vote over personal financial issues. Are they better off today, are they making more money, etc.

In 96 and 2012, Republucans were certain that the Democratic incumbent was unpopular, largely based upon success in 94 and 2010. Yet both Clinton and Obama were easily re-elected.

Trump is getting re-elected and the DNC insured that by having Mayor Pete and Klobacher withdraw before Super Tuesday and have Warren stay in.

The party decided to keep in control with a general election loss rather than have a turnover in power.

You're contradicting yourself. You said that Sanders would lose to Trump, too. I'm getting really tired of reading this from you.

 

[highlander]

Yes, he will. The moderates will make sure he does.

There are enough moderates like me who can't stand him so hopefully you're wrong.

 

[highlander]

In 96 and 2012, Republucans were certain that the Democratic incumbent was unpopular, largely based upon success in 94 and 2010. Yet both Clinton and Obama were easily re-elected.

Both Clinton and Obama were extremely popular with the masses - two of the most popular presidents I can think of in modern history, so it's not the same.

 

[Jaguar]

There are enough moderates like me who can't stand him so hopefully you're wrong.

Let's put it this way, every Republican I know is voting for Biden in their state primaries. They can't stand Trump. And . . .

https://twitter.com/Comey/status/1234899712991518722

 

[Red Herring]

Looks like Biden will be our next president.

I ran into him a couple years ago at the Admiral's Club in Regan airport in DC. I walked two feet from him as he was talking on his cell phone. He was next to a hallway and there wasn't any way to avoid walking by him because it was on the way to the bathroom. I always struck me that he was in a lounge with everyone else after he'd been vice president for eight years.

A former teacher of mine at university used to be the Spanish-German Interpreter for Felipe González (president of Spain from 1984—1996). He told anecdotes about González chatting with him at the men's restroom ("Walter, my German voice, how are the wife and kids?). He also said the former king of Spain Juan Carlos used to stand in line at an elevator without trying to jump the line. He had less kind things to say about president José Maria Aznar though (1996-2004, apparently an arrogant little prick)

 

[SearchingforPeace]

It's baffling too, because I seem to remember him talking about being in support of universal healthcare and some economic regulations in the past.

That is about as radical as Bernie gets. Universal healthcare, oversight of capitalism, and more affordable education. We GuDdAh StOp CoMmUnIsT BeRnIe hE iZ tWo rAdIcAl

I don't know if you realize that there is a difference between objective analysis of a situation and personal preference. In other words, I can easily look at data and come up with an good assessment even if I might disagree with the outcome.

Too many mistake honest assessment for advocacy, perhaps because the media is full of subjective advocacy masquerading as honest assessment.

I do favor universal health care because it is the best solution to ourv problems. I also favor antitrust enforcement and stronger Wall Street regulation.

I do not favor any form of Wokeism, for many reasons, the least of which is that it is pushed by oligarchs to divide and conquer.

I do believe Bernie made a mistake by aligning himself with cultural progressives. He also should have focused on aligning himself with FDR and Truman and the great tradition of the Democratic Party that was abandoned over the last 50 years, as documented by Thomas Frank among others.

Bernie also needs to stop praising communists around like Fidel. It is bad for messaging. Really, he should just say, "I am a FDR Democrat and I want to restore our party's focus on equality and securing the American Dream for as many people as possible, whilie limiting the power of the Mike Bloombergs of the world."

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Problem with these Sanders supporters is half of them are youngins who can't actually get their asses to the polls. Sure they'll go to a Bernie rally to hear the Strokes play, but can't be bothered to go vote at 7 AM. Like woaaah maayuuhn I'm too stoned to go vote today. Waiit whuu when is the primary again mayuhn? aww it was yesterday mayuuhn? bummer-ino maayuuhn

 

[highlander]

Let's put it this way, every Republican I know is voting for Biden in their state primaries. They can't stand Trump. And . . .

https://twitter.com/Comey/status/1234899712991518722

Yep. The days are near over for Don, "the Con".

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

I don't know if you realize that there is a difference between objective analysis of a situation and personal preference. In other words, I can easily look at data and come up with an good assessment even if I might disagree with the outcome.

Too many mistake honest assessment for advocacy, perhaps because the media is full of subjective advocacy masquerading as honest assessment.

I do favor universal health care because it is the best solution to ourv problems. I also favor antitrust enforcement and stronger Wall Street regulation.

I do not favor any form of Wokeism, for many reasons, the least of which is that it is pushed by oligarchs to divide and conquer.

I do believe Bernie made a mistake by aligning himself with cultural progressives. He also should have focused on aligning himself with FDR and Truman and the great tradition of the Democratic Party that was abandoned over the last 50 years, as documented by Thomas Frank among others.

Bernie also needs to stop praising communists around like Fidel. It is bad for messaging. Really, he should just say, "I am a FDR Democrat and I want to restore our party's focus on equality and securing the American Dream for as many people as possible, whilie limiting the power of the Mike Bloombergs of the world."

See my thread on why I find the moderates to be the ones who push the "wokeism" and identity politics the hardest. If you look back at 2016 too, that stuff actually peaked after Hillary became nominee. Not saying those types weren't among Bernie supporters. But if you listen to Bernie speak, he never really uses the "SJW" sort of talking points or speaks in divisive terms. He will mention different ethnicities, usually alongside mentions of other ethnicities and how he wants to unite them. This is just old school unity language not unlike what MLK Jr preached in the 50s and 60s. Otherwise, show me where Bernie is sounding like a wokist SJW. Because I've never gotten that impression from hearing him speak, but I have from a good number of moderate democrats. Bernie is actually the real deal SJW, in the most positive sense of the term. Speaking out against DOMA when it wasn't the politically safe stance to take in the 90s, for instance, rather than just virtue signaling his opposition only when it became politically safe to do so, like a lot of his colleagues did. Big difference.

Otherwise, I agree, he needs to stop labelling himself a socialist, not because I think it's a bad word, but because I think it's inaccurate. New Deal democrat or even social democrat is sufficient.

 

[SearchingforPeace]

Regular Democrats Are Just Fine With the Establishment - The Atlantic

 

[Virtual ghost]

Educate me .
I am watching this as a clear outsider but I don't get it.


Everyone is either crying or saying that Biden won the nomination. However I don't see how this is over. On google there are live results I am watching and in my book it seems as if people are overlooking something. Biden votes represent Biden, Pete and Klobuchar, good part of Bloomberg voters jumped on the train (and he quit), Biden won home state of Warren and therefore many of her voters (btw Warren has show her priorities with all this), Beto showed up on the stage, etc. The establishment has thrown literally everything they had on the table to save the game and the score is still 10/9 , and we are only at about 30% of the race. Plus this great consolidation to 2 candidates means there will not be contested convention or whatever, therefore now someone simply needs to grill the nest in which are all the eggs. (which btw has dementia)



To me all of this looks as clear opening of the path to victory rather than a defeat.

What am I missing in perspective !?

 

[á´…eparted]

Educate me .
I am watching this as a clear outsider but I don't get it.


Everyone is either crying or saying that Biden won the nomination. However I don't see how this is over. On google there are live results I am watching and in my book it seems as if people are overlooking something. Biden votes represent Biden, Pete and Klobuchar, good part of Bloomberg voters jumped on the train (and he quit), Biden won home state of Warren and therefore many of her voters (btw Warren has show her priorities with all this), Beto showed up on the stage, etc. The establishment has thrown literally everything they had on the table to save the game and the score is still 10/9 , and we are only at about 30% of the race. Plus this great consolidation to 2 candidates means there will not be contested convention or whatever, therefore now someone simply needs to grill the nest in which are all the eggs. (which btw has dementia)



To me all of this looks as clear opening of the path to victory rather than a defeat.

What am I missing in perspective !?

Nothing is set, it just look strongly like Biden is going to in the nomination due to a few factors. First that he is favored by the DNC strongly as well as the media which provides him with higher likelyhood of securing it. If he doesn't get the 50% vote but still gets the most the superdelegates will push him over the edge. His popularity seems to have been very unestimated in polls. Bernie while seeming to have been in the lead has underperformed and is doing slightly less as good as he did in 2016.

Something could change, but generally after Super Tuesday it becomes generally fairly clear who will get the nomination. Many people (myself included) are exhausted by all of this and just want this to be over, and are saying "its going to be this person". It's emotionally driven and factually influenced.

People in the US are incredibly stressed out and want to be done with this process, so its not being approached rationally by many.