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2020 Democratic Party primary thread

ceecee

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Iowa's kind hit or miss anyway.

have you seen some of the #1 picks out of the Iowa presidential noms for either party? Sometimes they are on the mark for the ultimate victor, sometimes they select someone who doesn't even survive half the primary process. (Ted Cruz and Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum are in that list.)

It lends momentum so that part is useful, but otherwise... eh.

Right. I don't get all the crazy about it, it doesn't mean much in the far bigger election picture.

But Pete can eat a dick. I was of that opinion prior to the Iowa caucus and I'm comfortable continuing it.
 

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Right. I don't get all the crazy about it, it doesn't mean much in the far bigger election picture.

But Pete can eat a dick. I was of that opinion prior to the Iowa caucus and I'm comfortable continuing it.


I am not sure about that. In my book Bernie probably got jackpot here.
Because all of this looks as the game is rigged and that will help him regardless of what he says about this. First the last poll was suddenly cancelled, then the app crashed and now Pete is suddenly ahead and claims victory before full results. In the big picture Iowa is small and Bernie will get a piece of that cake, but what he got in narrative could be priceless. Because now it looks as he is the only in the whole political system that stands for genuine democracy. That may not even be true but that is the general impression.


I could be wrong but I think he got the jackpot that his supporters/ground game will cash in through time.
 

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Right. I don't get all the crazy about it, it doesn't mean much in the far bigger election picture.

But Pete can eat a dick. I was of that opinion prior to the Iowa caucus and I'm comfortable continuing it.

The opinion you had prior to the Iowa caucus was being fine with Pete as V.P. I never knew part of the job description was eating dick, although Cheney tried.
 

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Pete Buttigieg 26.5%

Bernie Sanders 25.6%

Elizabeth Warren 18.3%

Joe Biden 15.9%
 

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I am not sure about that. In my book Bernie probably got jackpot here.
Because all of this looks as the game is rigged and that will help him regardless of what he says about this. First the last poll was suddenly cancelled, then the app crashed and now Pete is suddenly ahead and claims victory before full results. In the big picture Iowa is small and Bernie will get a piece of that cake, but what he got in narrative could be priceless. Because now it looks as he is the only in the whole political system that stands for genuine democracy. That may not even be true but that is the general impression.


I could be wrong but I think he got the jackpot that his supporters/ground game will cash in through time.

Pete also got the The Des Moines Register poll suppressed. Added to the stuff on Monday yeah, he can eat a dick. But sure it's possible that this will help Bernie overall.
 

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^ LOL!



Supporters of Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., and Andrew Yang pushed false conspiracy theories on Twitter over the weekend tied to the canceled Des Moines Register poll, effectively commandeering a trending hashtag to convey the idea that their candidates are more successful than the public has been led to believe.

The Des Moines Register poll, a closely watched indicator of the Iowa race, was canceled after at least one interviewer apparently omitted Pete Buttigieg’s name from the randomized list of candidates the surveyor read. The political website Axios reported that the reason for the error was that an interviewer increased the font size of the questionnaire on a computer screen, leaving the bottom choice invisible.

But supporters of Sanders and Yang decided, without evidence, that the reason for the poll’s cancellation had to be that their candidates had high poll numbers, which the newspaper or the polling company wanted to suppress for some reason. (The Des Moines Register poll is actually one of the most respected polls in the country, known for its integrity and accuracy.)

Conspiracy theories swirl over canceled Iowa poll, pushed by Sanders and Yang supporters
 

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Supporters of Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., and Andrew Yang pushed false conspiracy theories on Twitter over the weekend tied to the canceled Des Moines Register poll, effectively commandeering a trending hashtag to convey the idea that their candidates are more successful than the public has been led to believe.

The Des Moines Register poll, a closely watched indicator of the Iowa race, was canceled after at least one interviewer apparently omitted Pete Buttigieg’s name from the randomized list of candidates the surveyor read. The political website Axios reported that the reason for the error was that an interviewer increased the font size of the questionnaire on a computer screen, leaving the bottom choice invisible.

But supporters of Sanders and Yang decided, without evidence, that the reason for the poll’s cancellation had to be that their candidates had high poll numbers, which the newspaper or the polling company wanted to suppress for some reason. (The Des Moines Register poll is actually one of the most respected polls in the country, known for its integrity and accuracy.)

Conspiracy theories swirl over canceled Iowa poll, pushed by Sanders and Yang supporters


And you can prove that this is mistake rather than deliberate sabotage ?


I am simply trying to show that this is all so muddy that we can't really know the truth. The fact that it is a trustworthy poll with tradition is exactly why you can spin this with ease.
 

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And you can prove that this is mistake rather than deliberate sabotage ?
I am simply trying to show that this is all so muddy that we can't really know the truth. The fact that it is a trustworthy poll with tradition is exactly why you can spin this with ease.

Of all people, I would expect more from you.
 

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Of all people, I would expect more from you.



If you read carefully I never said that the conspiracy is true, I am simply saying that situation is God given for this to happen. For the last few posts I am saying that "establishment" should have been more careful because they have really shoot themselves into the foot with the way how all this was handled.
 

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If you read carefully I never said that the conspiracy is true, I am simply saying that situation is God given for this to happen. For the last few posts I am saying that "establishment" should have been more careful because they have really shoot themselves into the foot with the way how all this was handled.

God given?
 

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God given?


Ok, that is perhaps too culturally biased term on my part. "Served on the plate for mess" is perhaps better choice here.
You basically said yourself that Iowa was done pretty clumsy, what then opens the room for "speculations". However with this the party opened the whole new front line and it probably shouldn't have.
 

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Ok, that is perhaps too culturally biased term on my part. "Served on the plate for mess" is perhaps better choice here.
You basically said yourself that Iowa was done pretty clumsy, what then opens the room for "speculations". However with this the party opened the whole new front line and it probably shouldn't have.

Speculation on the level of incompetence, sure. I've been bitching about Iowa but you sure don't see me acting like a crazy person, making up conspiracy theories like that Ilhan Omar nut is doing for Bernie. Someone ought to sue her reckless ass and, frankly, her unethical and ignorant behavior is being condoned by Bernie. Show me how people run their campaign organization and who they surround themselves with, and you'll have a good idea what they'd be like as POTUS and the type of people they would have working in their administration.
 

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Ya know, people can misinterpret a story without being influenced by Russian bots. Just saying.

It's an easy enough mistake to make.

I don't understand how people can see 2016 as being determined through foreign interference and then somehow act like the system has integrity that's beyond questioning. It's not like the Democratic establishment helps matters any in this regard by making no secret of their disdain for one of the more popular candidates. Perhaps if they did't do that, there wouldn't be such an issue with people getting carried away with stories like this.

Ironically enough, seeing the work of Russian bots in everything seems kind of like a conspiracy, too.
 

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Speculation on the level of incompetence, sure. I've been bitching about Iowa but you sure don't see me acting like a crazy person, making up conspiracy theories like that Ilhan Omar nut is doing for Bernie. Someone ought to sue her reckless ass and, frankly, her unethical and ignorant behavior is being condoned by Bernie. Show me how people run their campaign organization and who they surround themselves with, and you'll have a good idea what they'd be like as POTUS and the type of people they would have working in their administration.



To be open with you I see all of this from a different perspective. Judging by what I saw once again one candidate won the popular vote and the other got most delegates at this point. For me this is legalized conspiracy that constantly repeats and from that point of view it is ok to fight fire with fire. Because at this point all of this is mud wrestling, it shouldn't be but it is.





Plus to be open and politically incorrect I find Pete to be the most dangerous candidate on the table for the country. It is another Trump style disaster internally and externally because his economic views and his sexuality are a practical problem. I don't hate gay people but there is a problem here.



Internally he is likely to continue very strong divisions while holding general status quo. Plus his sexuality will surely hold MAGA crowd tightly together even if Trump is out of office.

However externally is where the real problem is. Pete represents just about everything my part of the world sees as "what is wrong with the west", from clear capitalism to homosexuality. However as my posts suggest here we have a surge of Russian influence and if a gay person becomes new POTUS that will surely just speed this up. In the countries around Homosexuality isn't liked and even left wing parties can make laws that make sure it is never legalized. Russia even openly attacks with claims "They want to legalize gay marriage" and I saw this in Ukraine for example. Therefore with Pete entire Eastern EU will even more look east. Another problem are Muslim countries because there being gay gives you a death sentence. How will US keep it's falling influence in the middle east with a gay person is something I am not sure of, especially since the influence of Russia and China is growing even regardless of this. However with the Middle East there is no Petro-dollar Plus China and various third world dictators aren't too opened about this either if I am not mistaken. A few liberal countries will be very happy about this but those like USA anyway for the most part.




While his views on economy can make many in USA happy, he seem to represent just about everything against people all around the world are protesting relentlessly. In some countries there are even open rebellions over "modern ways how to do economy" and there is plenty of room for "loss of influence" in this sphere. So to be fully open with you Jag, in my part of the world we used to torture and kill people with your world views and now more and more people again wants to go somewhere in that direction. Therefore I think it is a bad idea to add extra gasoline into what is already a mess. POTUS directly and indirectly sets global paradigms, however what Pete and similar people want is simply the red flag to countless people. The longest protest in my country was done by veterans/far right over their benefits and healthcare, which lasted something over a year. In other word if "something" were to happen to our socialized healthcare due to pressures and global changes of paradigms there will probably be another revolution. After all these are the same people who won the independence war and working people will join them as well as retired people. However this pretty much works for this whole part of the world and which will in this case turn towards Russia. Since it doesn't want too free market, immigration, gay marriage ... etc.



Therefore since this is already mud wrestling I actually approve most moves. For me he and his base are another Trump scale problem that should be countered with pretty much all means but violence.


Sorry. :shrug:
 

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There were *probably* no shenanigans, but this is very bad for optics and gives the GOP a lot of ammo
 
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