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overcoming clinginess

I Tonya

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I've struggled with being a clingy individual off and on, and what I've realized to have more stability in not being so needy is to accept that I will never have a partner.. Like in a fulfilling way- not lonely. When my brain realizes that it can't find another person to fulfill my needs it automatically starts to try fulfill my own. Weird, its like going on a diet, when your body can't get the extra calories its used to, it'll start to finally use the excess on it. I'm not saying you can never have a partner, but trick yourself into a clingy diet. Its way more enjoyable to have a partner, like its way more enjoyable to havea snack you couldn't have during diet.

Clingy talk aside, I can very affectionate and might be seen as clingy when its really not. I don't need to diet my affection to diet my needs. Profound, that's when you know you're not using ppl for love.
 

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I don't want to sounds mean but I am sensing plenty of "self-fulfilling prophecies" here.
But I would be lying if I say that I didn't walk away because of this, which is why I see self-fulfilling prophecy here.
 

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I don't want to sounds mean but I am sensing plenty of "self-fulfilling prophecies" here.
But I would be lying if I say that I didn't walk away because of this, which is why I see self-fulfilling prophecy here.

How is that related to overcoming clinginess?
 

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How is that related to overcoming clinginess?


For the start I am simply saying that I have been on the other side.

I have absolutely nothing against passion, I miss it actually. However if you think you are so intense maybe you should scatter this by having more close friends or pets.
 

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For the start I am simply saying that I have been on the other side.

I have absolutely nothing against passion, I miss it actually. However if you think you are so intense maybe you should scatter this by having more close friends or pets.

Or you could just overcome it.
 

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Clingy talk aside, I can be very affectionate and might be seen as clingy when its really not. I don't need to diet my affection to diet my needs. Profound, that's when you know you're not using ppl for love.


You're not the only woman who feels the same. Other strong women have mentioned the same thing about themselves, including the one I'm in a relationship with.

We believe that one should fill his cup first before sharing it with one another, and at this point, we're both mature adults who self-reflect and have an idea of what we want. It makes me happy to see her happy, and vice versa.

Still, she's affectionate in her own way that she sometimes seems clingy, relishing in the idea of petting the asshole cat everytime she sees him. The cat has come to terms with that, knowing that the female human is just being disgustingly loving by playing with fire. The cat liked her bravery. She thinks the cat loves her back, but cat is only tagging along waiting for the female human to die though. Let's not forget the cat is an asshole.

Abstruse drivel aside, her call for attention and affection don't seem overbearing to suffocate me the least even amidst my busiest days. It's just effortless.

Depending on the person, clingy and insecure can be relative according to the nature of the relationship. Sometimes we'll call our partners needy to get away with being selfish. As long as you're not being controlling, you can simply discuss reasonably what you expect from the relationship with your partner. You'll find someone who fits your needs as long as they're not encumbering.
 

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Or you could just overcome it.

True, but that could be easier to say than do. Therefore I do think that channeling is probably good part of the solution.
On the other hand you should perhaps try to find someone that really feels unloved, so he wouldn't be bothered with this if you keep it within common sense.


So the real question is probably: Why do you think you are clingy ?
 

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True, but that could be easier to say than do. Therefore I do think that channeling is probably good part of the solution.
On the other hand you should perhaps try to find someone that really feels unloved, so he wouldn't be bothered with this if you keep it within common sense.


So the real question is probably: Why do you think you are clingy ?

Its almost as hard as losing weight... but it is good for health. Being clingy only makes my negative thoughts increase.

Lol, sadly to admit my faults but I did date someone bc I knew he wasn't good with girls so probably couldn't leave me or cheat. I haven left that relationship but I understand what you mean. I think living through processing is sometimes the only way we can learn as humans, especially the human heart.

Even though feeling unloved is usually associated with clingness, i think being needy is has a stronger demand from another to fulfill it. Ppl express feeling unloved in different ways, like addictions.
Feeling unloved is a more complex subject than just "getting over it." Tho, if that is the true root of such clincliness, they might not be able to ever feel satisfaction if that makes sense.

I am clingy bc of my mother issues, but that goes into another story. Unless you just mean examples of me being clingy.
 

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Its almost as hard as losing weight... but it is good for health. Being clingy only makes my negative thoughts increase.

Lol, sadly to admit my faults but I did date someone bc I knew he wasn't good with girls so probably couldn't leave me or cheat. I haven left that relationship but I understand what you mean. I think living through processing is sometimes the only way we can learn as humans, especially the human heart.

Even though feeling unloved is usually associated with clingness, i think being needy is has a stronger demand from another to fulfill it. Ppl express feeling unloved in different ways, like addictions.
Feeling unloved is a more complex subject than just "getting over it." Tho, if that is the true root of such clincliness, they might not be able to ever feel satisfaction if that makes sense.

I am clingy bc of my mother issues, but that goes into another story. Unless you just mean examples of me being clingy.


I was thinking more about actual examples of clingy stuff that you do in relationships. I ask because clingy is actually pretty vague term.

Also I wouldn't even try to pretend that I can fix anything regarding your mother.
 

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You're not the only woman who feels the same. Other strong women have mentioned the same thing about themselves, including the one I'm in a relationship with.

We believe that one should fill his cup first before sharing it with one another, and at this point, we're both mature adults who self-reflect and have an idea of what we want. It makes me happy to see her happy, and vice versa.

Still, she's affectionate in her own way that she sometimes seems clingy, relishing in the idea of petting the asshole cat everytime she sees him. The cat has come to terms with that, knowing that the female human is just being disgustingly loving by playing with fire. The cat liked her bravery. She thinks the cat loves her back, but cat is only tagging along waiting for the female human to die though. Let's not forget the cat is an asshole.

Abstruse drivel aside, her call for attention and affection don't seem overbearing to suffocate me the least even amidst my busiest days. It's just effortless.

Depending on the person, clingy and insecure can be relative according to the nature of the relationship. Sometimes we'll call our partners needy to get away with being selfish. As long as you're not being controlling, you can simply discuss reasonably what you expect from the relationship with your partner. You'll find someone who fits your needs as long as they're not encumbering.
Very true.

I think it helps that I observe the reason I feel clingy to and why I feel needy toward some individuals. The more I understand myself the more I give myself a break. I do now accept myself and my needs but respect myself enough to respect others in not demanding it from them. Its a weird self healing solution I feel works.
 

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I was thinking more about actual examples of clingy stuff that you do in relationships. I ask because clingy is actually pretty vague term.

Also I wouldn't even try to pretend that I can fix anything regarding your mother.

Sometimes when I have nothing to do and I like a guy, i'll send luke 20 texts to him ranting about how I feel... because I feel so attached to him i wanna wat he's doing and wanna be with him. Now, bc II'm shy and quiet individual, I would love to tag along to whatever he's doing. Back to the 20 texts, if he doesn't respond I start to feel regret and judgment and want to know what he's thinking. Should I demand he give me an answer or not talk to him, bc we are somewhat close I feel clingy.

The thing is I do that with a few friends.
 

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Sometimes when I have nothing to do and I like a guy, i'll send luke 20 texts to him ranting about how I feel... because I feel so attached to him i wanna wat he's doing and wanna be with him. Now, bc II'm shy and quiet individual, I would love to tag along to whatever he's doing. Back to the 20 texts, if he doesn't respond I start to feel regret and judgment and want to know what he's thinking. Should I demand he give me an answer or not talk to him, bc we are somewhat close I feel clingy.

The thing is I do that with a few friends.


Yeah 20 texts on emotions is too much regardless of how you feel. Do you think that more quality time would make a difference for you ?
 

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I think clinginess is something enneagram 4's can struggle with during disintegration to the more unhealthy e2 traits. I think the best way to overcome that is to have someone you can communicate your stress to. That would provide you with a) reassurance that your emotions are significant. b) that the insecurity and vulnerability (clinginess) are part of you but they don't have to define you and c) not allowing negativity to overwhelm everything in your life. Maybe cultivate relationships with people who are secure, enjoy the present and don't live in the past and if you can't have your emotional needs met instantly, you'll be ok. That's an area secure people could really help with and it doesn't need to be a partner.
 

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Yeah 20 texts on emotions is too much regardless of how you feel. Do you think that more quality time would make a difference for you ?

It would. But I realize, what makes me happy is when my feelings are validated.

I have other needs like being comforted and touched. This is more simple but is very important to me. Oh, also reassurance of obvious things.
 

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I think clinginess is something enneagram 4's can struggle with during disintegration to the more unhealthy e2 traits. I think the best way to overcome that is to have someone you can communicate your stress to. That would provide you with a) reassurance that your emotions are significant. b) that the insecurity and vulnerability (clinginess) are part of you but they don't have to define you and c) not allowing negativity to overwhelm everything in your life. Maybe cultivate relationships with people who are secure, enjoy the present and don't live in the past and if you can't have your emotional needs met instantly, you'll be ok. That's an area secure people could really help with and it doesn't need to be a partner.
I appreciate this advice very much.

I have found someone, I think she's 8w9 and sheshe's older like 60. II've noticed older women have good advice and care enough to understand how I'm feeling, bc of their experience and well- talkative qualities. So I've learned to stop expending men to understand- but the thing is I can seem a bit more emotional to men bc instead of having my mother care for my feelings she was cold making me drawn to opposite gender to understand me... Yeah that didn't work out. Tho, gender ain't gotta do much with emotional understanding, I've just down learned in my life that these older women are good for my development. I met 2 last yr, and the 8w9 this Dec. Very recent, I'm still changing but thank god I met them.
 

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It would. But I realize, what makes me happy is when my feelings are validated.

I have other needs like being comforted and touched. This is more simple but is very important to me. Oh, also reassurance of obvious things.


What exactly do you mean by validated ?

I am not after any details but you also lust for physical forms of love ? I mean you said something about high passion.



To be fully open with you I want to be with someone that is somewhat clingy. I am deeply unloved person in so many ways that to me all of this sounds like fun, since I got cut off from love. Therefore if you are keeping it within reason and don't send me 20 messages salvo every day I would play along. To be honest I am not sure if you are just unloved/unhappy or fundamentally clingy.
 

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What exactly do you mean by validated ?

I am not after any details but you also lust for physical forms of love ? I mean you said something about high passion.



To be fully open with you I want to be with someone that is somewhat clingy. I am deeply unloved person in so many ways that to me all of this sounds like fun, since I got cut off from love. Therefore if you are keeping it within reason and don't send me 20 messages salvo every day I would play along. To be honest I am not sure if you are just unloved/unhappy or fundamentally clingy.

Acknowledged, I don't know i you read about Reactive types (4, 6, 8) but they want their emotions to be understood and that what they're feeling is indeed tough and sad... Or something like that.

Well, i think I learned my texting style from my mom, which is why its so shitty. Tho, at that moment I needed to rant and he was a friend of mine who was interested in me, so I felt comfortable rambling to him. HeHe's 7w8 so they kinda duno what to say about negative things sometimes. Lol he stills texts me. I had realized I wanted him to care and that's why I rambled so much to him, plus I like him. Oh well he has a busy life. Lol

Ugh, I was homeschooled so my knowledge of what ppl think affectes most from my parents... If they didn't love me that was my world. I don't think I'm that clingy because I am overcoming it, but I can be with certain ppl. I love my security blanket like music and headphones and my phone. Eh, I'd say I'm pretty unhappy, but I decides to take responsibility for my depression.
I find it offense that you would consider it "fun," I take this pretty seriously. And even tho, 20 texts seem like a lot- I can't be arsed to be worried about that.
 

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Acknowledged, I don't know i you read about Reactive types (4, 6, 8) but they want their emotions to be understood and that what they're feeling is indeed tough and sad... Or something like that.

Well, i think I learned my texting style from my mom, which is why its so shitty. Tho, at that moment I needed to rant and he was a friend of mine who was interested in me, so I felt comfortable rambling to him. HeHe's 7w8 so they kinda duno what to say about negative things sometimes. Lol he stills texts me. I had realized I wanted him to care and that's why I rambled so much to him, plus I like him. Oh well he has a busy life. Lol

Ugh, I was homeschooled so my knowledge of what ppl think affectes most from my parents... If they didn't love me that was my world. I don't think I'm that clingy because I am overcoming it, but I can be with certain ppl. I love my security blanket like music and headphones and my phone. Eh, I'd say I'm pretty unhappy, but I decides to take responsibility for my depression.
I find it offense that you would consider it "fun," I take this pretty seriously. And even tho, 20 texts seem like a lot- I can't be arsed to be worried about that.


Well, consider that English isn't my first language. So don't take that "fun" too literally. :wink:


Anyway, I think you got this generally figured out the only thing you need now is implementation.
 

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I think that it is easy to look to someone else for entertainment, approval, validation, affection, etc and as you've discovered, no one person can be all of that to you. I wonder if gradually detaching yourself a bit from your phone and your headphones would allow you to engage more with a wider group of people, and also gain more confidence in being able to navigate the world. You are definitely on the right track as far as having some older women in your life - not only is it helpful to have someone to discuss things with that has experience in the world, but I think that often someone in a different generation than your own is also at a stage of life where they are not going through the same uncertainties and insecurities, and are also likely to have more time that a peer does. They can offer love in a way that is provisionary (something rare to be able to find after we are adults, especially if your parents weren't able to provide you with what you needed) rather than it being the same kind of equal relationship that being a partner or a peer requires. The problem with looking to a partner for care and validation etc, is that if you are going to maintain an equal sort of relationship with them, both people needs to be able to both give and receive care and they both need to feel like complete persons in their own right, rather than just half of a couple. That way one person doesn't deplete the other of all the resources they collectively have, nor is there a need for editing oneself down to feel like equals, or allowing the needier partner to make all the decisions or wield the most power in an attempt to make them an equal partner. Most relationship issues come down to person issues that have never been resolved. If both people work on their own needs, learn how to be appropriately vulnerable with the right people, negotiate, evaluate their own childhoods and early relationships and decide what they need to add to the mix, have a way of making their own money, develop a support system of their own, have their own interests and friends separately in addition to the ones they share as a couple, etc, the prospects for them as a couple increase greatly. It probably also will greatly influence what sort of person you choose and what dynamic you develop in the relationship. It sounds to me that you are beginning to see the need to do this and are taking some steps towards that.


I would also add that we all can act very differently, depending on whom we are interacting with. In general, I'm a pretty secure confident person. However, I can also act clingy, for lack of a better word, in the absence of someone communicating their feelings honestly, them behaving inconsistently, or them sending mixed messages. This confused me a lot when it happened the first time. I will say too that as I've understood my own needs better and been able to communicate clearly when something is bothering me and suggest alternative solutions, as well as felt more sure about behaviours that I encounter in other people, I've looked less to others for validation and felt less need to hover.
 
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