Type The Blob!

[RadicalDoubt]

Yeah, so I filled my own questionaire. Whoop-de-do no surprise. Anyhow, I'm mostly looking for comments on my judging functions mbti wise and maybe some final input on my tritype/iv if anyone gets anything out of this. I don't relate to any of the judging functions entirely and might have some sort of bias I'm ignoring.

Additionally, because of the sheer length of everything I write, I'm putting in a poll so I actually get a response maybe. You probably don't have to read through the whole thing to an idea. Anyways, to anyone who responds at all, kudos to you and thanks in advance:

1) Context:
[I]a) What is your age range and general location (Country so that cultural values can be taken into account)? Do you have any impairments that may affect the way that you answer this questionnaire? Any religious or political beliefs that also might have an effect? [/I]
I’m an American college student. My mental health is sort of a mess, not sure to what degree that’ll affect my responses. I don’t place enough value in my religious or political standing for it to affect my personality.

b) Which types are you currently considering? Why are you considering them and why haven’t you decided on one?
I’m pretty certain I’m somewhere in the xNxP range. I’ve been typing as ENFP for awhile now but it’s still very difficult to see myself within the range of Fi (or any of the judging functions for that matter). I’m almost positive I’m high Ne, that’s the only thing that seems to make sense in context of my personality. I’ve considered high grade Si types as well, but others have responded pretty strongly against that.
Eenneagram wise, I’ve settled loosely on the 136 tritype. 9 has been thrown around a lot. I see myself more in 1, but a 9 fix isn’t improbable. A low grade four fix has also been thrown out there time and time again. I’ve been going with 6w5 core for awhile now. It doesn’t fit perfectly, but nothing really does and I am human doubt ™ ,so it’s probably right. With IV I always figured sp/so or at least sx blind, but recent analysis has lead me to believe that I might use sx?
Socionics wise I have no clue, and this probably won’t be revealing. Se polR probably.

2) What do you deem as your purpose in life?
While I don’t really deem people as having intrinsic purposes outside of what they or their environment make it, I suppose my purpose in life has been to pursue my goals, gain satisfaction, and to help the ones dear to me. They’ve stayed consistent most of my life, though the satisfaction part is fairly new. My goals, which are both career based and based on solving a life problem of mine (as it relates to my last point), have always been top priority, and I desire to be successful in a way that pleases me and happily situated in a career that allows me to continue learning new things and developing myself till I die. Satisfaction is a given I suppose. The last one has sort of been pushed on me, but I’ve sort of taken it upon myself to solve problems and incite change where I see fit for myself and a select few.

3) Of the seven deadly sins, which one(s) do you relate to the most and the least and why?
In order I’d say Greed > Pride > Sloth/Gluttony > Wrath > Envy > Lust

While I don’t think it shows all the time, greed and pride are definitely my top two sins. For one thing, I hate spending and wasting money on just about anything. While I’ve pushed myself in the opposite direction, I have a strong tendency towards hoarding and will avoid sharing and resources or my own things when I can. Pride wise, despite coming off fairly humble and self depreciating to most, I have a fairly large ego. At my worst, I overestimate my intellectual abilities and I’m shocked it doesn’t show. I put greed above it just because I’m pretty quick to acknowledge my flaws and have a self depreciating edge.

On the low side is envy and lust. Until I got into college, I don’t think I actually felt much envy at all. While I wouldn’t consider things satisfactory and often desire better things for myself, I’m not prone to projecting that outwards onto others. It doesn’t make sense to hate people just because they have something I don’t. Lust is definitely at the tail, probably because I can’t separate it from sexuality. I’ve never been one to desire things very strongly, except maybe if we’re talking in the realm of goals? The other three sins are virtually interchangeable.

4) Analyzing your relationships with others, briefly describe:
a) The type of people you are drawn to
I’m drawn to people that catch my interest I guess? I don’t think there’s any specific personality traits that I tend to be drawn to that I’m aware of, though I seem to be able to get closest with more relaxed/introverted individuals.

b) The kind of people who are drawn to you
That’s also somewhat of a mix, especially since I’m rather solitary and don’t interact as much as I should. Very dominant/loud people are often drawn to me because I’m easy to talk to/at and my personality sort of opposes theirs. More introverted/individualistic people are drawn to me as well because I seem far more interesting than I actually am and again, I’m easy to talk to.

c) The kind of people you are repulsed by
I am repulsed to very polarized individuals, especially those who are excessively emotional or excessively icy. Polarized individuals seem closed off to me and I’m not always sure how to deal with that. I have little patience for conversations about sentiment and those who only rely on their impulses, but at the same time am easily irritated by overly abrupt people who see compassion/empathy as only a weakness.

5)What are the traits in others that you admire but you cannot emulate yourself? Elaborate.
Probably the ability to be aware of and an active participant in the environment and organization. I’ve always admired people who could think linearly and behave systematically or managerially. Organization and detail orientation ties into this a lot as well, I am definitely in awe of of the power held by people who are as organized and direct as this. While I’ve pushed myself to be direct and organized, I’m fairly hopeless. When I try to do this, it always results in a “tunnel vision” sort of reaction where I focus excessively on one detail/task and completely forget something else that was equally important.

To elaborate on the first point, I’m very dissociated from my environment in general, partially due to being an excessive daydreamer and elsewise due to being relatively calculating and deliberate in the way I behave. I’ve worked to gain a general understanding of how people and things function in the environment so that I can predict and respond faster, but somehow this has managed to put me further from being an active participant.


6) Describe your relationship with the following:
a) Anger
Anger for me is all over the place. I’d consider myself a pretty angry person internally, mostly because I hold myself to high standards which I never hit. I’m also somewhat impatient and can get somewhat reactive outwardly with meaningless things. I keep my anger internal for the most part, because I fear that being outward about it will lead to a loss of control. I go for runs often to keep things at bay and rarely have any outbursts. People tend to think I’m relatively passive as a result.

b) Shame
Until recent years I didn’t really have a lot of difficulty with this one, but it’s definitely prominent now. I’m fairly insecure as a person and I’m incredibly self-depreciating. I’m very aware of my shortcomings and often loathe feeling behind everyone else or where I “should be” or because of weakness. I’m not the wallowing type though, I tend to use shame as a fuel towards the future and for my ambitions.

c) Fear
Fear plays a huge role in my life. Despite the beauty the world holds, I struggle to keep it’s pace and and in control. Being more on the cowardly side, I have a tendency to be pulled around by my fear rather than pushing through it. Additionally, I sort of struggle internally with my fear of others and fear of my internal tendencies, which has heavily shaped the way I persist and respond to things.

d) Love/passion
Both of these are sort of weird do me. I have a tendency to avoid feeling strongly about everything (maintaining control is important), so neither of these two things come easily. Recently, someone dear to me said they feared I was “too principled to feel love” which was super weird/sounds awful, but I don’t think it’s that far off unfortunately. There are very few things or people I could say I genuinely love, though I use the word feely when speaking of interests. Passion I haven’t been able to find outside of my passion for pursuing my goals.

e) Conflict
I see conflict as a necessary evil. I’m not typically one to initiate conflict unless it benefits someone outside of myself since extreme conflict tends to yield more good than bad. I’d rather work in the background to manipulate change than plow through things, though in the right situation I can become quite disagreeable. Generally speaking though, I’m somewhat evasive of it and fairly agreeable.

7) What are some of the themes that have played a prominent role in your life (ie. A struggle you’ve been unable to conquer, ect)?
Uhg I thought I answered all the questions and just noticed this was left over. Maybe I'll answer this tomorrow. [Note to self, this questionaire is long, perhaps excessively so]

8) Answer only one of the following:
a) [College aged and above] What is your area of work/study? Why did you choose this and would you change it? If so, what would be your ideal?
I’m studying to be a research scientist. I’m fairly decent and solving problems and am kind of creative so I think it’s a good enough fit. Additionally it’s something I’ve always wanted to pursue, so this is my “ideal” so to speak. If I was smart enough, I would have loved to be an astrophysicist just because space has no visible bounds, therefore is something I could learn new things about till the day I died. I’ve always been attracted to what I couldn’t fully characterize, but also I’m terrible at physics so I’ll probably settle for material science from the nanoscale.

Amusingly I picked nano on a whim. My cousin suggested the college because she hated it and the people there “reminded her of me.” Nonetheless it was a really good fit and the subject matter proved to be interesting after I applied.


9) When meeting a new person, what do you tend to focus on?
I tend to focus on trying to figure out who they are and how to generalize their behavior. I’m responsive by nature and somewhat insecure, so I find it helpful to try to gauge the way a person things and responds to things early on so I can respond accordingly and feel comfortable around them. The way a person thinks about things is also an interest of mine generally, so this is kind of just a natural focus. Despite not being the most outgoing person people wise, I really enjoy learning about people and their interests/experiences generally.

10) How do you feel about humanity as a whole? What do you feel are some of the biggest problems the human race faces and why?
As much as I try not to, I’m not a big fan of the human race. For the most part, people seem to be driven by self interest and preservation. Often times, consequence is ignored for the sake of what is more efficient or easiest acquired in the moment, which often leads to destructive results in the long run. Not that I’m much better of course. Of course there are exceptions to this. The biggest problem right now seems to be that we’re working towards our own self destruction at the moment (ie. environmental issues which we continue to ignore, destructive weapons in the hands of impulsive leaders ect.) Not that I’d be too disappointed if we wipe ourselves out, but taking the rest of the world with us would be quite a shame.

11) What are some of your hobbies and interests?
My hobbies are work and typology lol, I’m quite boring in that respect. When I’m not doing work though, I also enjoy art, music, and playing with ideas/story lines. I’m hoping the art/story line creation hobbies result in a comic one day, but I’m a busy person so maybe this will just be a fun thing to play around with. Nonetheless, art is very relaxing and when I do it correctly, it can be a means of creating focus and dispelling ideas. Music wise I sing (not publically) and play the trumpet and, while it brings me lots of stress, is quite enjoyable. Walking and hiking are also very nice things I frequent. I love ghibli stuff/art in gernal and terrible music.

13) How do you usually “hang out” with your friend(s)? When answering, think about what activities you tend to choose, whether you hang out with one person at once or many, whether or not you initiate the interaction.
I’m very responsive, so I’m more inclined to hang out with people when asked. In a college setting this basically means watching movies, going out for good food, and playing card games while other people make bad decisions. Not always my favorite type of interaction, but it can be fun (especially cards because it’s active). I’m also a huge fan of DnD, though I don’t get to frequent it. Outside of college, since my friends are more introverted than me, I’m usually more inclined to reach out. Often times, I’ll hang out with one person alone via food or hiking/walking. Outside of being a relatively boring person who doesn’t really know how else to interact with friends, I tend to avoid trips to the movies or pure activity so I can actually talk to the person.

14) What is more important, actions or words? Why?
Both are really important. I’m inclined to say words just because some people behave in ways they don’t want to in the moment due to anxiety, anger, and such, so actions and behavior aren’t always indicative of internal beliefs or actual personality. Words have that extra thought in them I guess, though saying you think something or want to do something is very different from actually doing things. Actions can be very revealing in that respect depending on their context.

15) Oh dear, you’ve been cursed by a witch! It’s ok though, you get a choice on which curse you will receive. Will you choose….
a) To never be able to experience the sensation of taste
b) To be immortal
c) To lose your memories
d) To be poor for the rest of your life
e) Or to never experience passion
Elaborate on why!
I might take the memory loss over all the rest. With a, despite my endless list of allergies food is one of the few things I actually enjoy and losing my sense of taste would probably drive me deeper into depression. B is the worst one on the list (even though people have said I’d make a good immortal). D doesn’t sound terrible, but being poor sounds like it’d be really uncomfortable and I’d probably get really frustrated if I couldn't change my disposition. With passion, I don’t really experience a lot of that, but it’d be really sad and boring if I never could actually. So memories, and I could live with that because a) I wouldn’t remember why it bothered me to loose them and b) the idea of starting life from scratch like that sounds sort of interesting. I have lots of ingrained habits that would be nice to loose and I’m not incredibly sentimental. Forgetting about those I’m close to or memories in general might destroy the little sense of self I have though, which could be really troublesome..

16) What do you hope to avoid being? If it helps, describe a person who embodies what you avoid/you as a villain, ect.
I avoid being unrestrained and someone who easily gives into their natural tendencies. I value control over the self a bit too much, and the idea of completely going by my own whims sounds like a really bad plan. I tend to demonize my natural tendencies too much because I fear becoming a “bad person” if such a thing exists and I can feel deep down some of my more problematic traits (ie. manipulativeness, elitism, ect.). I also avoid becoming completely disconnected because, as much as I’d like to and as easy as it would be for me to just ignore the world and others, I know it would make me closed minded and I’d block myself off from new things and knowledge.

17) How do you relate to obsession? Do you tend to "merge" with others or your interests? How do you feel about the idea of doing this?
I’m very evasive of obsession. Polarization and obsession make me feel as though I am closed off and blind to other ways of thinking, though I can become obsessed with interests at times I suppose (ie. typology, building my internal storylines/worlds ect). Merging in general sounds gross. I guess I’m not entirely sure how to describe myself outside of interests and goals, but if that’s all I was that’d be problematic. I tend to avoid intimacy with others due to being a fan of boundaries and fearing losing myself in something or someone else (I like to be a separate person). Recently though, I did realize I merged with a person pretty strongly, to the point where their existence influenced my goals and priorities and also I felt no need to really create and other relations with people. That’s gross though and I think it was somewhat unhealthy behavior, so I’ve distanced myself from that.

18) Organized or messy? Plans and blueprints or impulse and surprises? What are you preferences and tendencies?
I’m a mess, no doubt about it. I’m constantly losing everything I own and my mind is a cluster of ideas. I’m sort of in the center with the next point. I’m not driven by impulses and it’s difficult to maintain control when everything's unpredictable. Plans and blueprints are also super boring though when you can’t deviate. I’d say undetailed blueprints are the way I work.

19) How do you subjectively view comfort and how do you create comfort in your life and surroundings?
I view comfort via emotions rather than physically. I’m quick to ignore my physical body and states (outside of hunger and stuff) and I’m not one to take pleasure in “pleasures” like indulgent foods or super comfortable environments in a traditional sense. I do place a huge amount of importance on mental comfort however, relieving and avoiding internal tension when I can. I have a tendency to stick to my comfort zone in that sense.

 

[Luminous]

Bump. The creator of the questionnaire we're all filling out deserves to be typed by more than me!

 

[RadicalDoubt]

Helpful context: I'm 100% settled on 6w5 as a core now and am 90% sure of sp/so.

 

[RadicalDoubt]

Unless someone feels as though it's particularly incorrect, I'm probably going to settle on INTP 6w5 sp/so (613 tritype)

Also thank you to the two people who responded to this, your input was appreciated

I'm still looking for input to some degree, especially on my enneatype core even though people feel fairly strongly I'm probably a 6

 

[RadicalDoubt]

Quick add on to my questionaire since I'm still kind of iffy on my type (even the 6w5 core I said I was 100% settled on lol):

I never answered question 7:

7) What are some of the themes that have played a prominent role in your life (ie. A struggle you’ve been unable to conquer, ect)?
Probably adaptation, isolation, and heroism/ambition.

Adaptation is a big one because there's always this underlying feeling that I'm one step behind everything. Despite being somewhat of a generalist and a mess by nature, I've always struggled with having a relatively stiff personality, a slow reaction speed, and being inattentive as a whole to others and society (probably because I don't interact much with the real world). To top that off, I've always had certain "weaknesses" both within my personality itself and physically that I've constantly felt the need to compensate for in order to "keep up the pace" with everyone's accomplishments and common cornerstones for development.

Isolation is another one. I've always been fairly solitary and more into my own inner world than other people. Due to this, as well as being somewhat erratic behaviorally, I tend to become isolated from others very quickly, sometimes by my own withdrawal, other times just due to rejection.

Finally there is heroism, which is the wrong word for this probably. I've always felt I had a large degree of responsibility towards the person I care most about. Despite trying to avoid it now, I've always felt most secure and satisfied when I am relied on and trusted as a solution giver or a conduit of change in someones life. Additionally, I always am most satisfied when I am working towards a goal, even the mos vague ones, so I tend be attracted to those who are struggling and used to take on the role of "the helper" often

 

[Pionart]

I think you're an INFJ. Starting a post with "probably"... probably indicates that you're an Ni dominant. Then the second part of the post is typically socially related.

"I always am most satisfied when I am working towards a goal" - isn't this one of the strongest indicators of being a J?

 

[RadicalDoubt]

I think you're an INFJ. Starting a post with "probably"... probably indicates that you're an Ni dominant. Then the second part of the post is typically socially related.

"I always am most satisfied when I am working towards a goal" - isn't this one of the strongest indicators of being a J?

Thank you for the input Legion ! Interesting, I haven't gotten INFJ as a suggestion in awhile (it was one of the first things I typed as anyhow).

Generally, I think having a strong goal orientation is typically bound to strong J types typically due to their structure and certainty seeking nature. I've always seen myself as more P than J just because I tend to be somewhat adaptable and general rather than structured and organized, but you do make a pretty good point there. I may have to re-evaluate my position.

 

[Pionart]

Thank you for the input Legion ! Interesting, I haven't gotten INFJ as a suggestion in awhile (it was one of the first things I typed as anyhow).

Generally, I think having a strong goal orientation is typically bound to strong J types typically due to their structure and certainty seeking nature. I've always seen myself as more P than J just because I tend to be somewhat adaptable and general rather than structured and organized, but you do make a pretty good point there. I may have to re-evaluate my position.

Before I looked more closely, I thought you were likely an INTP, because I could see a similar thing to what you're saying with being adaptable and lacking structure. However, I think that's probably just a heavy influence of Ti/less active Fe.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "general", but the word "organised" strikes me as being on the more STJ side of J. I might or might not be organised, but I wouldn't say it's one of my strengths.

I think of Si as routine and specifics about what has been or will be done, whereas Ni is about mission and the evolving nature of what has been or will be done.

Te is more task focused - it is largely about how to do things e.g. procedures, whereas Fe is socially focused - it is about navigating the social environment, and putting emotion into what you do.

 

[RadicalDoubt]

1. During your youth (7'ish to 18), What did you focus on the most? What activities did you like and why? What aspect of life was lax in attention?
Outside of things I shall not mention, I generally focused heavily on my inner world, academia, and goals. I always really enjoyed researching (due to just being a curious person), playing around with ideas is my mind (relaxing, also helped me solve problems/entertain myself), music (entertainment/skill building) and drawing (typically helped me a lot with focus and tied to the ideas). Additionally, I always enjoyed walking and hiking just because I’m a high energy/anxiety person and that always tends to relax me and let me thing. Other people/relationships, my own culture, and my health were always things that I didn’t focus much attention on but should have.

2. You're in you senior year of high school (or whatever equivalent) and you are looking back over the last couple of years. What was your favorite aspect of the schooling experience and why? Favorite subject and why?
While I didn’t really enjoy my schooling experience, generally I’d say class variety was probably a strength. I got a decent degree of exposure to different areas of study and nothing was restricted the way it is in college (ie. you have to stick to classes within your major).

Personally I really enjoyed the sciences in general, with my favorite probably being chemistry. Outside of it being one of the sciences I probably was the best at in high school, I generally enjoy knowing how things function and why the properties of objects are what they are. Additionally the subject matter was just generally entertaining. I also really love music theory. Composing was really fun and workload was never overbearing since it had one of the few textbooks I didn’t bore of when reading.


3. A couple of friends call and invite you out to a restaurant. While there, you all are pleasantly conversing and one of your friends makes a comment that irked you. What are your thoughts and how do you respond?
I’m generally pretty nonreactive to those sort of things in general, so it’d probably depend on what the comment was or why it bothered me. If it’s like an insult or a poke to me, I’d probably just laugh it off or ignore it unless it was something that particularly hit at my ego, in which case I’d probably make some awkward noise or comment to see if I could clarify/get reasoning. If it bothered me because it was rude to someone else I might make a joke or two to displace the negativity if I didn’t directly tell the person the comment was problematic.

4. Your schooling is done and it's time to strike out into the world!! What sort of career do you want to go into and why?
Research. I don’t really have many talents, but I’m fairly decent at maintaining focus when I’m interested in things and problem solving. Learning new things is one of the only things that I truly enjoy at this point, and curiosity (if not obligation) is typically the main motivator in what I pursue. Also that’s what I’ve always wanted to do.



5. A friend is getting married and they put you in charge of the cake. You narrowed it down to two places to make an order. The first is a bakery with whom you got a good relationship with. The other is a well-known cake maker to whom everyone goes to (your friend hints to it as well). Which one do you choose and why?
The maker who everyone goes to. It’s not my wedding and if my friend wants me to get them a cake there that’s where I’ll go. I guess the only thing that’d change that is if I could get a really good deal due to my relationship with the other bakery because weddings are expensive Of course I’d run this towards my friend first.

6. You get into an argument with a friend/family member/co-worker. They criticize one of your personality traits. What would most likely be the focus of their critique?
Either my iciness/distance or my lack of organization. My organization has gotten me in a lot of trouble before since I’m prone to losing track of physical objects or getting tunnel vision when trying to focus on details specifically. I’m never really late to complete things and when I do work I typically try to make it as high quality as I can, just the journey there is… Messy. With the iceyness/distance, I definitely tend towards aloofness and evasion of others. My ability to maintain (or understand) relationships in general is not strong especially when I only have so much energy to put into such things. Being dispassionate and somewhat avoidant of attachment doesn’t help either.

7. It's New Years! You and your friends are out and about after a party. Being drunk, one of your friends suggests to do something....'questionable' (Nothing serious. I.e, drugs, escort, etc.). What are your thoughts and how do you respond?
Depends on how questionable. I tend to be pretty quick to dip after parties because a) I virtually never go to them and b) I’m typically pretty exhausted afterwards when I do so I’d probably just decline and leave. If it were something particularly interesting I might stick around. If tiwas harmful I might try to make sure my friend didn’t go alone and risk being injured.

8. A new art gallery opens up and your friend wants to go to the grand opening. Both of you analyze all the paintings and sculptures. What about these works warrants the most attention from you? Why?
Probably the level of detail put into the piece itself or it’s uniqueness. I’m drawn to pieces that I can either analyze (via color or maybe design) or that just end up drawing my attention. As long as it isn’t just European antiques I’d probably be interested.

9. You have been saving up and decide to buy a new car. At the dealership, you peruse the lots. What are the criteria and factors that influence your choice? Which one would initially be your main focus?
Initially, money would probably be my main focus. I’m a stingy person by nature and would feel a severe amount of guilt buying a car that was too pricey. Factors like safety, fuel efficiency, and environmental footprint would probably be the other big factors that would be worth focusing on at the moment.

10. Yep, you now have a kid (sex of your choosing)! Years pass and they are now 15 years old. You notice their personality traits are the complete opposite of how you were when at their age. Describe how they are. Describe the possible conflicts that would arise between both of you due to differing temperaments.
Probably socially attentive, affectionate, risk taking, driven purely by their impulses or desires, poor work ethic or tendency to avoid responsibilities, aggressive. I think the only big issues I can imagine would be those that came up if they got in trouble with others. I’m not generally certain of how to deal with very aggressive behavior, but I do know I am a control freak so that would probably not end well. Affectionate might create problems just because I’m not at all, but that’s just something I’d have to adjust to if they need it. Can’t have my kid feeling unloved.

 

[kittenke]

[MENTION=34313]RooibosKrayfish[/MENTION]


To add to posts above:

I also heard this is a J thing: "I suppose my purpose in life has been to pursue my goals, gain satisfaction"

But then you do mention adaptability and that's P...

If I go on with reading your OP, I totally can see both P bits and J bits.

I think I can see you are INTP though over INTJ, because of how you seem to be just giving this absent-mindedly creative vibe and that's way more associated with INTPs.

And then I'm not very good at the functions theory but this seemed classic Fe inferior about the difficulty with merging with others and instead believing in boundaries and self-control.

But you also mention admiration about people who are active participants in their environment... Se, or Te/Fe if we add your note on organisation?

Then this seems really Fe again: "Affectionate might create problems just because I’m not at all, but that’s just something I’d have to adjust to if they need it. Can’t have my kid feeling unloved."

 

[Wunjo]

If the ability to measure probability was related to being a Ni-dominant, then most statisticians/mathematicians would be so, even academics, their number in world population is I assume higher than the INFJ's in the world. Let's also not forget about how few Ni-Dom's statistically are, speaking of that. INTP fits.

 

[Pionart]

If the ability to measure probability was related to being a Ni-dominant, then most statisticians/mathematicians would be so, even academics, their number in world population is I assume higher than the INFJ's in the world. Let's also not forget about how few Ni-Dom's statistically are, speaking of that. INTP fits.

You're twisting language here. I wasn't talking about measuring probability the way a statistician would, I was speaking about someone making probabilistic statements in ordinary conversation, which as far as I am aware really is an Ni indicator. Note that it's just an indicator, it's not 100% or anything.

 

[Wunjo]

You're twisting language here. I wasn't talking about measuring probability the way a statistician would, I was speaking about someone making probabilistic statements in ordinary conversation, which as far as I am aware really is an Ni indicator. Note that it's just an indicator, it's not 100% or anything.

I am not twisting language. Did you ever hear of professional deformation? That thing would cause a statistician to use "probably" a lot, an engineer, as well. I am not seeing that in anyway you are backing that assumption of "Probability being a Ni indicator" with something, therefore the question of validity rests on your shoulders, not mine, speaking of that, I think, I have made my point in the previous post.

 

[Pionart]

I am not twisting language. Did you ever hear of professional deformation? That thing would cause a statistician to use "probably" a lot, an engineer, as well. I am not seeing that in anyway you are backing that assumption of "Probability being a Ni indicator" with something, therefore the question of validity rests on your shoulders, not mine, speaking of that, I think, I have made my point in the previous post.

I've heard plenty of times that Ne looks at the different possibilities, whereas Ni narrows down on the most likely outcome, which would presumably give rise to using the term "probably" a fair bit.

I don't have the data to back that up, because pretty much no one does at this point, but if I go at it long enough I will be able to determine to what extent it is true. Maybe.

For now, all I can really do is go based on indicator terms and broad characterisations that best fit with a given function.

 

[Wunjo]

I've heard plenty of times that Ne looks at the different possibilities, whereas Ni narrows down on the most likely outcome, which would presumably give rise to using the term "probably" a fair bit.

I don't have the data to back that up, because pretty much no one does at this point, but if I go at it long enough I will be able to determine to what extent it is true. Maybe.

For now, all I can really do is go based on indicator terms and broad characterisations that best fit with a given function.

Probability suggests an analysis of events done by thinking, not intuition, since there is a skeptical cut for it which hints at the use of Ti, instead of Ni. Ni is usually an unconscious function, it "knows" in almost an instinctive way, which overrides or rather disregards conscious analysis.

 

[Pionart]

Probability suggests an analysis of events done by thinking, not intuition, since there is a skeptical cut for it which hints at the use of Ti, instead of Ni. Ni is usually an unconscious function, it "knows" in almost an instinctive way, which overrides or rather disregards conscious analysis.

What do you mean that Ni "knows"? Ni is always making guesses. Sometimes it makes very good guesses, but it doesn't tend to really "know" things does it?

A statement of probability in this case is not arrived at by logical analysis. It is just the mind making a guess as to how things would develop, and the individual has an understanding that that line of development may not be at all necessary, and is thus likely.

Maybe I also ask, while we're at it, why you type as an INTJ rather than an INFJ?

 

[Wunjo]

What do you mean that Ni "knows"? Ni is always making guesses. Sometimes it makes very good guesses, but it doesn't tend to really "know" things does it?

A statement of probability in this case is not arrived at by logical analysis. It is just the mind making a guess as to how things would develop, and the individual has an understanding that that line of development may not be at all necessary, and is thus likely.

Maybe I also ask, while we're at it, why you type as an INTJ rather than an INFJ?

The point that I am making is that "Ni" knows, the user thinks that "Ni" knows, be it true or false, it is the truth of the "Ni" user until it is disproven. It also actually does tend to "know" things, if you were to investigate the matter of intuition a bit further.

"It is just the mind making a guess as to how things would develop, and the individual has an understanding that that line of development may not be at all necessary, and is thus likely."

The statement above can be a dictionary definition for logical analysis, but it's your choice.

Your last question is irrelevant to the topic at hand so I find no point in answering it, I'm sorry.

In fact, I think we are about to derail a user's typing thread via a debate on typology and functions, therefore this is going to be my final post in this thread. If you have furthermore questions or answers or arguments, don't hesitate to PM.

 

[Pionart]

The point that I am making is that "Ni" knows, the user thinks that "Ni" knows, be it true or false, it is the truth of the "Ni" user until it is disproven. It also actually does tend to "know" things, if you were to investigate the matter of intuition a bit further.

"It is just the mind making a guess as to how things would develop, and the individual has an understanding that that line of development may not be at all necessary, and is thus likely."

The statement above can be a dictionary definition for logical analysis, but it's your choice.

Your last question is irrelevant to the topic at hand so I find no point in answering it, I'm sorry.

In fact, I think we are about to derail a user's typing thread via a debate on typology and functions, therefore this is going to be my final post in this thread. If you have furthermore questions or answers or arguments, don't hesitate to PM.

It seems like every function "knows" what it thinks it knows, then, I don't see the link to Ni. Not saying there is not link.

What I said may have been logical analysis of Ni, and every function is still likely to have other functions come into play with it, but stating something is "probably" the case I don't think is inherently logical.

I did just ask a question which you said there was no point to answering when you could have PM'd it, but ok.

 

[RadicalDoubt]

Don't mind me, I'm just procrastinating finals...

ALSO, does anyone see any other possibilities for my core type in enneagram/iv? I'm ok with 6w5 I think, but I was almost debating 9w1 core again... Even though fears wise I'm distinctly 1 > 9 in my mind...

1) What makes you angry?
Lots of things makes me angry to be honest. I make my own self angry because I'm relatively cowardly and inhibited. I don't live up to my own expectations of what I want to be and what I know I should be, so I'm pretty often irritable about that. On a more common basis (if you're looking for when I'm outwardly angry), typically I get set off by lacking the ability to understand things or when small menial things are not going my way. I probably get irritated by not being able to understand things (specifically on my own) for some ego related reason probably.

2) What do you like/dislike most about people?
I really don't like how self centered people are (even though that's very hypocritical coming from my mouth)and that people are majorly pleasure seeking. I also find it problematic that many people fall into the category of now paying attention to consequence and also blindly trusting either their own judgement or the judgement of a trusted few without enough skepticism. I also get very annoyed at the level of sentiment people have generally, although I'm pretty sure I shouldn't dislike that.

3) Do you like animals? why?
Of course, with the exception of a select few. Generally, I find animals to be very interesting in general whether it relates to behavior or general traits. I can't really explain why, but being around animals in general (assuming I'm talking about the ones that are safe to be around) can be incredibly stimulating, probably because I find the majority of animals to be cute and exciting.

4) What do you like most about the favorite people in your life?
Some of my favorite people have really dry or sarcastically blunt sense of humor. They are grounding to me, which is nice because I am anything but. For my favorite person in general, I really admire their businesslike personality, as she is likely one of the most competent and hardworking people I have ever come across. She's organized, attentive to the needs of others, and pretty decent at both reading the environment and dealing with the emotions of others.

5) What do you like/dislike most about yourself?
Like: I'm quite fond of my imagination and ability to visualize, since this is a really useful technique against being bored and also helpful when it comes to generating ideas and solving problems. I also really that I'm relatively self-controlled in comparison to others, which makes it incredibly easy for me to defy desires I don't like and push forward rather than dwell on my own pleasures.
Dislike: I'm incredibly apathetic and I find it difficult to genuinely care about something or attach myself to things. I'm also kind of an indecisive and undetailic mess who tends to contemplate and doubt everything excessively, which is a huge hindrance in actually doing things and reaching judgement. Additionally I'm a massive coward who fear anything and is easily inhibited by their own ego and fears.

6) Do you care about being fashionable? why/why not?
No, I've pretty much given up on that. I was never one to care much about physical presentation to begin with (there's far more important things to deal with and I don't have that much energy to begin with), which wasn't helpful at all since I generally seem to have no natural eye for fashion or aesthetics in general. I guess the only think I might pay attention to is color combinations when it comes to how I physically present myself, but otherwise I just go with whatever comes easiest.

7) Do you prefer to fit in or stand out?
Whichever is necessary in the moment. I can't really stand either to be honest, I hate drawing attention to myself so standing out is uncomfortable. Additionally it also depends on how I'm standing out. Still, the idea of being "just like everyone else," despite that this isn't even as bad as people make it out to be, is somewhat repulsive. I don't like to merge into the totality of things, so fitting in seems to be just as bad as standing out. I tend to take on that awkward middle space where my presence is somewhat ghostly, but also weirdly memorable because of that.

8) What activities do you enjoy?
I tend to really enjoy thinking in general as well as producing art (ie. Drawing, playing an instrument). A lot of time, doing these things is incredibly relaxing and can help me to find/regain focus. I'm also a big fan of hiking and walking, mostly because I'm a relatively energetic person and doing so is a nice way to consume time. Researching and completing tasks related to that can also be stimulating with the right subject.

9) What makes you feel secure?
God I wish I knew. Probably having a sense of control , whether it be over my life or over my environment. Having people rely on me or trust in my judgement can also give me security, since that typically means I'm competent enough to be in control.

10) Do you like being in a relationship? why/why not?
Not at all. Some of this probably has to do with me being relatively young, but I found that when I was in a relationship I became very insecure. It's difficult for me to understand relationships in general and how to function within one since I'm not naturally a warm and intimate person in most scenarios. I tend to feel a lot of guilt because I'm somewhat aloof and inexpressive of my feelings, which led my partner to insecurity. I also have a tendency to feel trapped by relationships, not sure why though.

11) What do you love and why? Could be people, things, places, etc...
Love is a strong word and I'm not really sure I generally love anything at this point. I love specific family members of mine if that counts. I also really love to learn and the feeling that comes with having an understanding of things.

12) What do you spend the most time thinking about?
I spend a lot of time playing with different ideas, story lines, and scenarios unrelated to myself. I tend to spend a lot of times trying to understand how things function and generalizing how certain concepts would function in different contexts. I also spend a lot of time thinking about my own health and why it is the away it is, but that's mostly because it's causing me problems at the moment.

13) How much have you changed over the years? Who were you as a child?
My personality is almost unrecognizable. As a child, I was incredibly inquisitive and quick minded. Despite being incredibly solitary and stuck in my own mental musings (which is similar to how I am now actually), I was quick to speak up for others and was verbal about my judgement and ideas because I trusted in myself and in my mind. I was really good at solving problems and just as good at understanding and feeling compassion for others. I had a very strong sense of self and genuinely didn't care about identity in the slightest. On a more negative note, despite my curiosity of it, the outside world was difficult to deal with, which left me not being exploratory in the real world. I also trusted my own judgement too much, which left me vulnerable to reality when I relied that much of my worldview was purely subjectively composed and wrong (because I refused to actually get any data from the physical relm). Now I'm a lot more inhibited. My mind is typically more filled with the sludge of my thoughts, which makes it really difficult to think quickly or be inquisitive in the moment. I'm apathetic and have very little genuine care for others in terms of both compassion and relationship focus. On a more positive note though my time management is far better than it used to be and, despite my critical doubt, I've developed an ability to not trust myself completely and blindly.

 

[kittenke]

[MENTION=34313]RooibosKrayfish[/MENTION]

You now sound like the INTJs I've seen posting. Serious and focused and whatnot.

But then this is so typical Fe inferior according to descriptions:

10) Do you like being in a relationship? why/why not?
Not at all. Some of this probably has to do with me being relatively young, but I found that when I was in a relationship I became very insecure. It's difficult for me to understand relationships in general and how to function within one since I'm not naturally a warm and intimate person in most scenarios. I tend to feel a lot of guilt because I'm somewhat aloof and inexpressive of my feelings, which led my partner to insecurity. I also have a tendency to feel trapped by relationships, not sure why though.

But maybe I'm wrong, how do you relate to Se inferior?

I tend to spend a lot of times trying to understand how things function and generalizing how certain concepts would function in different contexts.

Seems really Ti-Ne, but maybe someone will come in and argue for Ni-Te, lol. I thought Ti about generalising concepts, and Ne about the different contexts.

I also trusted my own judgement too much, which left me vulnerable to reality when I relied that much of my worldview was purely subjectively composed and wrong (because I refused to actually get any data from the physical relm).

Yeah and now this kind of sounds Se inferior... but then you say you rely on your own judgment over the world, which would be Ti, not Ni.

Out of curiosity, can you give me an example of where you used your own judgment about reality that was wrong and left you vulnerable to actual reality?