Sunshine
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"I felt like it" is an SP response, not an F response.
I felt like responding to your post.
"I felt like it" is an SP response, not an F response.
Because the thread was originally titled "Why F-ers give me the creeps." and a moderator or the OP herself changed it after it became apparent that the object of the OPs contempt was not, in fact, the so-called "feeling judgment", but rather immature, unhealthy emotionality in others, who, as we all know, can be feelers or thinkers.
For me (and the types I generally attract), debate is foreplay. So if I was already married, that would be trouble.
About what ENFJs like to debate?
Curious.
It would be nice to have a full explanation of Fi. It seems so mysterious.
Well, to seriously nit-pick, I think someone would be very hard-pressed to logically justify concluding that 2 + 2 = 7.
But yes, I think most of use get your actual point. It's extremely problematic when someone has complete faith in their own grasp on logic, truth, and objectivity. A small pretence of fallibilism is important for people to be consistently realistic or just. Without it, one cannot learn, and cannot be persuaded. It's rather dangerous for themselves and others.
One must be able to examine themselves for error, and correct it when they see it. BlueWing himself only seems to admit error with petty mistakes, or more specifically mistakes that do not relate to logic. When it comes to logic and rationale, however, he both acts as if, and has essentially stated that, he knows the universal and true language of reason. It's actually this aspect that has constituted someone of the most vacuous aspects of his arguments.
sorry, i've been following this argument closely and i just came across this post.
so far i've very much agreed with a lot of your arguments but i'd just like to point out that you're 2+2=7 isn't necessarily off. there's a bit of a logical glass ceiling that exists. there is a limit to logic, especially human logic.
there are situations in math and science where 2+2 does not equal four. i mention this because it illustrates the fact that logic itself isn't infallible. when logic starts to contradict itself we find ourselves in the realm of the irrational, of the abstract. if you try to apply logic to it you will drive yourself insane because you will never find the answer. i believe the same applies to our decisions, society, and the individual.
we do not exist in a world of ideal situations, where 2+2=4. the normal rules of logic, rationality, and thinking are not sufficient in dealing with the complications of everyday life. a subjective, abstract way of coping with it is necessary to navigate life when we can no longer rely on our own finite minds. be it from God or natural selection, your emotions are there because they have some necessary function.
right.
immature thinkers give me the creeps just as much as feelers do. i personally dislike both. you gotta develop both. i mean yeah, you're never gonna be 50/50 but what's important is that you as an individual learn the discipline not to be swept away by your emotions and to have the maturity to let logic and common sense allow you to deal with emotions. thinkers, emotions are great. they're good for you. don't be afraid of them and don't belittle them. emotions are what gives depth in the unfolding drama of life. the strongest individuals i know are the ones who are open about their emotions and are willing to up to them, especially the difficult ones. it is your guide when you can't find the answers on your own. you're only human.
your mind and your heart are both equally capable of leading you astray. what's logical and rational isn't always right or fulfilling. likewise, what feels good isn't always gonna make sense and that should indicate that you need to really examine what it is you're feeling and why you feel it. sometimes it means that you should take a step back and ignore it.
feeling and thinking are guides you use. how you react and interpret the messages they send you is what's important, not the functions themselves.
ThatGirl, could you give us a description of an immature thinker? I'd like to know how that would appear to you.
Immature thinkers?
Hold very long grudges even if the feeling has passed because they rationalized their feelings into a logical truth.
Arrogant and self validating
Fail to view from opposing views if the have already decided on something
Stubborn
Obstinate
Condescending
? This all may sound bias maybe a feeler can shed a little light for this question?