People with higher IQ see how pointless education really is, hence suck at it. The sheep who can muster the grit to keep on going, don't question the silly reasons they even have for wanting their education cause they got society's carrot dangling in front of them. There I solved the mystery for ya. I mean who is born saying "i want to study and get a degree so I can get societal approval so i can feel kinda good about myself...if only for a little while, as I wait for my inevitable mid-life crisis" ?
People with higher IQ see how pointless education really is, hence suck at it. The sheep who can muster the grit to keep on going, don't question the silly reasons they even have for wanting their education cause they got society's carrot dangling in front of them. There I solved the mystery for ya. I mean who is born saying "i want to study and get a degree so I can get societal approval so i can feel kinda good about myself...if only for a little while, as I wait for my inevitable mid-life crisis" ?
Sorry, but no. I know you want to feel smarter than everyone and say that you don't need school, but it doesn't work that way.
Yes, you can be successful without doing well in school. Is it significantly harder to near impossible? Also yes. If you aren't already born into riches, you'll need a high paying job. In order to get one of those in this day and age, you'll usually need to do well in school for that. Sorry, pal, it's the way the world works.
Does that mean all education is useful? Also no. But I'm not getting into that right now.
tl;dr - Yes, you can become the CEO of a massive and successful company without a degree or any sort of education. Is it feasible that way? No, not really.
He didn't mention that he doesn't need school. It's a great place to sharpen your knife and tame the beast later. Just, don't be too obedient of the system, and be open to any greater opportunities that appeal to your intuition, instead of counting on "grit".
In my experience the only difference between high school and college is that in college rather than directly feed you what they want you to parrot, they instead feed you the locations of the things they want you to parrot (typically, the library), and make you go hunt down the specific things they want yourself. Step out of the box even a little bit and watch your grade get struck down. If college taught people to think it would defeat their entire original and current goal of generating good machine cogs for the big systems of the world.In my experience, some of the teachers expect you to think, though alot don't/don't care.
I concur.
It always puzzled me how some students could be able to lick the boots of teachers for wasting our time.
I had few teachers who called bullshit the institutionalized modus operandi and prompted students to think for themselves. Others, were utterly dogmatic. Their way, or the highway.
Yes, please. I'll take the highway to hell and stay my own master and actually coronate my aspiration with success, or be another slave in your collection of lifeless and miserable puppets.
I'd rather not have grit, if it's synonymous to spending time in a useless entreprise..
Sorry, but no. I know you want to feel smarter than everyone and say that you don't need school, but it doesn't work that way.
Yes, you can be successful without doing well in school. Is it significantly harder to near impossible? Also yes. If you aren't already born into riches, you'll need a high paying job. In order to get one of those in this day and age, you'll usually need to do well in school for that. Sorry, pal, it's the way the world works.
Does that mean all education is useful? Also no. But I'm not getting into that right now.
tl;dr - Yes, you can become the CEO of a massive and successful company without a degree or any sort of education. Is it feasible that way? No, not really.
Everything is bad in extremes, but grit's generally beneficial. Setbacks happen. If you've had a serious setback, grit gets you out of bed in the morning.
One great aspect of grit is that unlike more fixed personality traits, it can be taught.
I wondered how much of it is taught vs. learned.
I wondered how much of it is taught vs. learned.
I've been working for three years for an average of three times a week. Most people cannot do that. I have plenty of grit.
I remember when I first started, I thought people were crazy just for attempting to exercise for years. I wasn't even sure if I can do it. However, I don't even think about exercising. I just go ahead and do lift my weights and jog. I put little thought in attempting to exercise as people put on their shoes.
I believe the colloquial term in sports is heart. Like if I say that player showed a lot of heart. I think grit is the same as that (SP grit versus NT grit is a topic in its own right but speaks to the same quality imo). Of course, a person can have tons of heart and still lose. At the same time, heart usually factors into a person's ability to win in the crunch. The new england patriots comeback took a lot of grit/heart this past superbowl. It's not the only reason they won but they could not have won without it...call it an "it" factor. Muhammad Ali showed a ton of grit in Zaire. I find that people with little heart don't like to step up and challenge themselves. Or they give up too soon in spite of their skill level. It's that talented poker player who just sticks to robbing the 1-2 no limit action tables because he got wiped out once at a higher limit table. That's a guy with no heart.
Ah, we're actually on the same page. And with the same sort of passion about it, too.I was being slightly tongue in cheek with my previous post. But for the most part the point still stands. I think IQ is a load of crap....but if ANYONE considers themselves
intelligent then they must have some sort of big-picture view of their lives where a higher education might or might not fit in according to their own needs and desires.
The alternative to not going to college you mean? The world is full of examples. I'm not saying you can't have grit without going to college. I'm saying grit is better
used when applied to your OWN true desires....and not some default approach some fucker in the industrial age thought was a good idea. You only NEED grit when you are doing something you don't love. The fact that most of us ASSUME you are not supposed to love your education is a bad sign of the times indeed.
Ah, we're actually on the same page. And with the same sort of passion about it, too.
I fully agree that there are great opportunities outside of college, but that we don't embrace them nearly as much as we should. College has become the new high school, the new baseline, for no real reason. It's a bubble. Unsustainable. Plopping down $30 grand is just something you have to do..? No matter what..? Fucking really!?
The notion that everyone ought to go that route is itself a purely self-serving and academic one. I say this as a guy who teaches at the grad level.
I'm absolutely floored by some of my friends' trade skills. I don't know if I have the practical knowledge and technical skills to do, say, my own AC repairs. Or do any sort of chef magic. Or take care of a room full of two year olds in an active and nurturing way. I don't say that in a condescending way, either; they're all admirable skill sets.
Mike Rowe is a hero for spreading awareness of, say, trade schools.
"Theoretically, theory is better than everything else." Self-serving. People can go on thinking that way if they'd like. It's possible to be brilliant but incredibly myopic at the same time. There's a real world out there, where theory's but one small aspect.
I agree. I think grit is good, but it's even better when you can apply it toward what you actually want to do.
It's unfortunate that we have artificial barriers in place that make that so difficult to do. I hope we smarten up at some point.
I fully agree that there are great opportunities outside of college, but that we don't embrace them nearly as much as we should. College has become the new high school, the new baseline, for no real reason. It's a bubble. Unsustainable. Plopping down $30 grand is just something you have to do..? No matter what..? Fucking really!?