Meditation

[Kas]

Thank you for your post.

Fortunately Typology Central practises freedom of speech, and knows freedom of speech means nothing without the freedom to offend.

I find your behaviour hostile and prejudicial, which is against rules.

Buddhism is not only a religion but also an institution subject to the criminal law. This also applies to Catholicism, Anglicanism, Hinduism, Islam, Jehovah's Witnesses, and other institutions.

And both the Judicial Enquiry into Child Abuse in Ireland and the Royal Commission into Institutional Child Abuse in Australia, have found these institutions guilty of crimes against children, and guilty of the further crime of covering up their crimes against children.

And in spite of your pollyanna view of Buddhism, Buddhism has committed egregious crimes against humanity, and is committing them, as you read, in Myanmar, formerly Burma.

I enjoin you to read the Report of the Irish Judicial Enquiry into Child Abuse, and to read the Reports of the Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Child Abuse.

And you might well ask why there is no such national report in your own country.

It can't be in my country and I never heard about possibility 'religion' would be a subject of criminal law anywhere else. Could you give me your source?

From what I see, the organisations you mentioned were investigating crimes in/ or related to religious organisations, not crimes of religious organisations. There are people (individuals) out there.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

There is a zen temple in our city but it is mostly a bunch of stupid, white, liberal yuppies and it's too lax and laid back for me to continue going--I was hoping to meditate with actual Zen monks. I want the strictness of a real Zen monastery with a priest rapping me on the shoulder with a stick when I doze off or slump too much. The last time we went I was next to a sick lady who coughed the whole time. I'm not advanced enough to meditate through that noise, and it seems inconsiderate to ruin it for everyone else like she did.

Otherwise, a quiet, secluded spot in the woods works for me.

there is a monastery in upstate new york that I wanted to live in until I realized it was just another rich white people retreat. Money talks, bullshit walks, who needs enlightenment?

 

[Mole]

I find your behaviour hostile and prejudicial, which is against rules.

It can't be in my country and I never heard about possibility 'religion' would be a subject of criminal law anywhere else. Could you give me your source?

From what I see, the organisations you mentioned were investigating crimes in/ or related to religious organisations, not crimes of religious organisations. There are people (individuals) out there.

I practise not only freedom of speech but freedom of religion. And freedom of religion means the freedom to worship any God we wish, and it also means the freedom to criticise any religion.

We only have to look at the title of Australia's Royal Commission into Institutional Child Abuse. The Royal Commission deployed its extensive powers to enquire into institutional child abuse.

It is necessary to enquire into institutions because it is institutions which have covered up the global rape of children. And rather than reporting the organised rape of children to the police, the institutions used their considerable global power to cover it up. And the institutional cover up is at the worst crime.

And I do understand it is a shock to learn that institutions we have trusted have engaged in the organised rape of children, and its cover up. I understand you instinctively defend your institution, but far better to defend the children.

It was only a short time ago in even developed countries where it was socially forbidden to even talk about institutional child rape. But the world has progressed morally and we can now read about the sworn testimony before our Royal Commission into Institutional Child Abuse.

However in many less developed countries it is still forbidden to even talk about child abuse.

I understand the findings of the Irish Judicial Enquiry into Child Abuse and the Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Child Abuse come as a surprise to you, and you express your anger by calling me hostile and prejudiced.

May I suggest you turn your anger against the institutions that have facilitated child rape across the world.

 

[Mole]

There is a zen temple in our city but it is mostly a bunch of stupid, white, liberal yuppies and it's too lax and laid back for me to continue going--I was hoping to meditate with actual Zen monks. I want the strictness of a real Zen monastery with a priest rapping me on the shoulder with a stick when I doze off or slump too much. The last time we went I was next to a sick lady who coughed the whole time. I'm not advanced enough to meditate through that noise, and it seems inconsiderate to ruin it for everyone else like she did.

Otherwise, a quiet, secluded spot in the woods works for me.

there is a monastery in upstate new york that I wanted to live in until I realized it was just another rich white people retreat. Money talks, bullshit walks, who needs enlightenment?

Perhaps if you learnt about the history of Zen Buddhism and Bushido you may find the cruelty and war crimes not to your taste.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Perhaps if you learnt about the history of Zen Buddhism and Bushido you may find the cruelty and war crimes not to your taste.

I've been interested in Zen over half my life now.

The concise version is that Bodhidharma carried Buddhism from India to China. From there, Chinese Buddhism and elements of Taoism were transmitted to Japan and fused into what became modern zen buddhism.

I would not reject an idea or system solely of injustices committed by followers of that belief system. Might as well reject every belief system ever if that is going to be my criteria.

 

[Mole]

I've been interested in Zen over half my life now.

The concise version is that Bodhidharma carried Buddhism from India to China. From there, Chinese Buddhism and elements of Taoism were transmitted to Japan and fused into what became modern zen buddhism.

I would not reject an idea or system solely of injustices committed by followers of that belief system. Might as well reject every belief system ever if that is going to be my criteria.

Suggesting that Zen Buddhism is guilty solely of injustices is hiding the organised cruelty, rape and murder, and war crimes of Zen Buddhism.

200,000 'comfort women' were repeatedly and systematically raped by Zen Buddhism.

Live medical experiments and vivisection were practised by Zen Buddhism in Unit 371.

Large numbers of helpless war prisoners were tortured and murdered by Zen Buddhism.

Atrocities were committed on a large scale against unarmed civilian populations by Zen Buddhism.

During WW II almost all Buddhist temples supported the criminality and cruelty of militarism.

And even today there is a Zen Buddhist shrine, Yasukuni Shrine, in Japan, that publicly honours Buddhist war criminals and their cruelty.

But perhaps we should leave the last word to the Buddha, Gautama Buddha, Sutta Nipata II,14 “All of Japanese Buddhism should have ... The unity of Zen and war".

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Suggesting that Zen Buddhism is guilty solely of injustices is hiding the organised cruelty, rape and murder, and war crimes of Zen Buddhism.

200,000 'comfort women' were repeatedly and systematically raped by Zen Buddhism.

Live medical experiments and vivisection were practised by Zen Buddhism in Unit 371.

Large numbers of helpless war prisoners were tortured and murdered by Zen Buddhism.

Atrocities were committed on a large scale against unarmed civilian populations by Zen Buddhism.

During WW II almost all Buddhist temples supported the criminality and cruelty of militarism.

And even today there is a Zen Buddhist shrine, Yasukuni Shrine, in Japan, that publicly honours Buddhist war criminals and their cruelty.

But perhaps we should leave the last word to the Buddha, Gautama Buddha, Sutta Nipata II,14 “All of Japanese Buddhism should have ... The unity of Zen and war".

Atheist Mao also committee many atrocities against the Chinese people, that doesn't mean atheism committed said atrocities.

Fanaticism is the evil here, not Zen Buddhism. Any ideology can be twisted and used as tool for pain and suffering

You also omit/downplay the influence of Shinto and the general warlike culture of Japan up to the 1940s. Any philosophy or religion could have been twisted to serve the Japanese culture of war and racial supremacy

 

[Mole]

Atheist Mao also committee many atrocities against the Chinese people, that doesn't mean atheism committed said atrocities.

Fanaticism is the evil here, not Zen Buddhism. Any ideology can be twisted and used as tool for pain and suffering

You also omit/downplay the influence of Shinto and the general warlike culture of Japan up to the 1940s. Any philosophy or religion could have been twisted to serve the Japanese culture of war and racial supremacy

Is there no end to this: Buddhism is being twisted today in Myanmar, formerly Burma, to murder, torture, and burn Rohingya out.

We are told this is just another religion of peace, while they commit their atrocities in front of our eyes.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Is there no end to this: Buddhism is being twisted today in Myanmar, formerly Burma, to murder, torture, and burn Rohingya out.

We are told this is just another religion of peace, while they commit their atrocities in front of our eyes.

Whatever, mole. It's just a thread about meditation, broheim. Slow your roll. I stand by my points.

 

[Kas]

Fanaticism is the evil here, not Zen Buddhism. Any ideology can be twisted and used as tool for pain and suffering

Yes, exactly what I meant to say.

[MENTION=3325]Mole[/MENTION] there is difference between offending others and criticism, the second can be done respectfully. And I don't know what was an aim of more than half of your posts in this thread, definitely not discussing about meditation, probably not discussing anything at all.

 

[geedoenfj]

Thank you for your post.

Fortunately Typology Central practises freedom of speech, and knows freedom of speech means nothing without the freedom to offend.

Buddhism is not only a religion but also an institution subject to the criminal law. This also applies to Catholicism, Anglicanism, Hinduism, Islam, Jehovah's Witnesses, and other institutions.

And both the Judicial Enquiry into Child Abuse in Ireland and the Royal Commission into Institutional Child Abuse in Australia, have found these institutions guilty of crimes against children, and guilty of the further crime of covering up their crimes against children.

And in spite of your pollyanna view of Buddhism, Buddhism has committed egregious crimes against humanity, and is committing them, as you read, in Myanmar, formerly Burma.

I enjoin you to read the Report of the Irish Judicial Enquiry into Child Abuse, and to read the Reports of the Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Child Abuse.

And you might well ask why there is no such national report in your own country.

No religion I have ever known has teachings that imply doing these crimes, you should differentiate between the law of religion, moral code, the culture, and of course the followers, putting them into one bowl and mix them together is just a lame and lazy way to deal with the subject, I hope you are smarter than that.
Crimes are happening whether the person claims themselves to be religious or even atheist, majority of crimes against humanity are committed by people who don't believe in God.

 

[Yuurei]

No religion I have ever known has teachings that imply doing these crimes, you should differentiate between the law of religion, moral code, the culture, and of course the followers, putting them into one bowl and mix them together is just a lame and lazy way to deal with the subject, I hope you are smarter than that.
Crimes are happening whether the person claims themselves to be religious or even atheist, majority of crimes against humanity are committed by people who don't believe in God.

Yeah, I will never understand how these lazy revolutionaries, these " Free thinkers" or even educated people can make claims about any one religion being corrupt: every Religion has it's dark side. TBH, it's especially ironic to accuse Buddhism in this particular instance since this idea is one of it's main tenants "yin/Yang. Good/evil ect. One does not exist without the other.

I'm sure if you mentioned the corruption to them they would say " Thanks for enlightening us "Free-thinker" and then roll their eyes so hard it hurt.

 

[Falcarius]

When Falcarius had depression he was referred to Mindfulness Based Cognitive Therapy classes; each week everyone had to do a new relaxation technique; Falcarius favourite was chocolate meditation.

 

[Kas]

When Falcarius had depression he was referred to Mindfulness Based Cognitive Therapy classes; each week everyone had to do a new relaxation technique; Falcarius favourite was chocolate meditation.

Chocolate? Can you tell more about it?

 

[Falcarius]

Chocolate? Can you tell more about it?

*Break small piece of chocolate

*Sit somewhere comfy

*Do normal meditation for a minute

*Pick up chocolate

* While holding chocolate in your hand. Notice the weight and texture of the chocolate. How it feels: is it warm, soft, cool, hard?…. Notice any urges to gobble it up, but try to gently bring your attention back to the sensation of the chocolate in your hand. If they are closed, open your eyes now and gaze at the piece of chocolate in your hand. Notice its shape and colour, and how you feel about it. Do you like it? It’s time to smell the chocolate. Slowly bring it up to your nose, noticing when the chocolatey scent first reaches your senses. When it does, just sit for a moment appreciating the aroma.

*Place the rest of the chocolate in your mouth, (DON'T EAT IT) enjoying the tastes you are experiencing, the flavours subtle and strong. Hold the chocolate in your mouth for as long as possible, letting it melt, letting your tongue explore its textures and tastes.

*Put this video on and listen to it. Shut your eyes.

*Finally, when the chocolate is gone, bring your attention back to your senses. Notice whether there is still a residual chocoaltey taste in your mouth, whether the smells in your awareness have changed. Bring your attention back to your breath and to the feelings going on inside you. Rest for a moment, just breathing, and being aware of how you feel – is it different in any way to how you felt at the start of the meditation?

*Bring attention back to the rest of the room, the sounds you can hear, the cushions or floor beneath you, and the weight of your body on the earth. When ready, open eyes.

 

[Mole]

Yes, exactly what I meant to say.

[MENTION=3325]Mole[/MENTION] there is difference between offending others and criticism, the second can be done respectfully. And I don't know what was an aim of more than half of your posts in this thread, definitely not discussing about meditation, probably not discussing anything at all.

Each member of Typology Central has a choice of being offended by my writing or not.

So when a member is offended, they are choosing to be offended.

So when I am accused of being offensive, I am being accused of something over which I have no control.

 

[Mole]

Yeah, I will never understand how these lazy revolutionaries, these " Free thinkers" or even educated people can make claims about any one religion being corrupt: every Religion has it's dark side. TBH, it's especially ironic to accuse Buddhism in this particular instance since this idea is one of it's main tenants "yin/Yang. Good/evil ect. One does not exist without the other.

I'm sure if you mentioned the corruption to them they would say " Thanks for enlightening us "Free-thinker" and then roll their eyes so hard it hurt.

We have discovered that it is institutions that protect the perpetrators.

The institutions cover up the crimes.

The institutions continue to employ the perpetrators in positions of authority and power.

And now we have made it explicit: it is itself a crime not to report a known crime to the police.

The psychological problem is that many identify with the institution to which they belong, and don't believe it can do any wrong, and believe that whistle blowers are trying to destroy the institution, and so, by implication, are trying to destroy them.

Fortunately our Australian Federal Police (AFP) no longer have this problem nor do our Judiciary. So now we go after criminal institutions and their officer bearers.

 

[Mole]

No religion I have ever known has teachings that imply doing these crimes.

No? What about Judaism, Christianity, and Islam? What about these three Abrahamic religions?

Consider: these three religions are based on the theology of Abraham. And God ordered Abraham to tie up his son, Isaac, and stand over him with a butcher's knife ready to cut him up alive.

Imagine how Isaac felt. If we imagine how Isaac felt, we can see this is child abuse.

So the three major Abrahamic religions are based on a theology of child abuse.

 

[Mole]

Whatever, mole. It's just a thread about meditation, broheim. Slow your roll. I stand by my points.

C'mon, Buddhism is known for meditation.

And we know meditation puts the critical mind to sleep, we know meditation disables the prefrontal cortex, we know meditation disables reason. And we also know the sleep of reason brings forth monsters.

And we see the sleep of reason is bringing forth Buddhist monsters in Myanmar, formerly Burma, as I write and you read this.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

C'mon, Buddhism is known for meditation.

And we know meditation puts the critical mind to sleep, we know meditation disables the prefrontal cortex, we know meditation disables reason. And we also know the sleep of reason brings forth monsters.

And we see the sleep of reason is bringing forth Buddhist monsters in Myanmar, formerly Burma, as I write and you read this.

Meditation has similar effects on the brain as prayer. Forms of meditation are or have been practiced in most religions, including early Christian mysticism. Being known for meditation only means it's known for meditation, considereing Buddhism is divided into a lot of very different denominations, it makes sense that meditation would be the common thread that ties them all together in people's minds.

Please try harder, you're just embarrassing yourself now.


What is the basis for your claim that it puts the critical mind to sleep?