What type of feminist are you?

[Doctor Cringelord]

I think Elia is describing TradFems.

 

[Typh0n]

That's just your semantics though.

No, its not just my semantics. Webster defines atheism as "the belief that no god exists". Of course, dictionary defintions tell you little about the social themes behind a belief, but thats also true of the dictionary's definition of feminism.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

I think a lot of people who identify as atheists are actually agnostics.

 

[Typh0n]

I think a lot of people who identify as atheists are actually agnostics.

Probably, by the technical definition of it. Most secular humanists I know simply feel there is no proof of any kind of higher pwoer, and thats that. I do know some that negate the belief in god entirely, however.

 

[erm]

No, its not just my semantics. Webster defines atheism as "the belief that no god exists". Of course, dictionary defintions tell you little about the social themes behind a belief, but thats also true of the dictionary's definition of feminism.

Where? I just checked a few big dictionaries (with webster in the name) and wikipedia and they are all saying "not theism", which includes both belief in an absence and absence of belief, like I said, since they are both not theism. They use the term "disbelief" which is equivalent to lack of belief, if slightly stronger because it implies they are at least aware of the concept.

 

[Typh0n]

Where? I just checked a few big dictionaries and they are all saying "not theism", which includes both belief in an absence and absence of belief, like I said, since they are both not theism. They use the term "disbelief" which is equivalent to lack of belief, if slightly stronger because it implies they are at least aware of the concept.

Webster's New Encycopedic Dictionary, 1993, says "atheism: The belief that there is no God: denial of the existence of a supreme being"

 

[Mayflower]

“No, but” feminists

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Probably, by the technical definition of it. Most secular humanists I know simply feel there is no proof of any kind of higher pwoer, and thats that. I do know some that negate the belief in god entirely, however.

I used to label atheist but then I realized it wasn't that I didn't believe in God, it was really that I don't care too much one way or the other.

I find that answer is also better for sending away "have you heard the word" recruiters. If you answer, "yes, and not interested," they usually get the idea quicker than if you answered "no"

I learned that approach also worked better when asked if I was a feminist in the past.

 

[Typh0n]

I used to label atheist but then I realized it wasn't that I didn't believe in God, it was really that I don't care too much one way or the other.

I find that answer is also better for sending away "have you heard the word" recruiters. If you answer, "yes, and not interested," they usually get the idea quicker than if you answered "no"

I learned that approach also worked better when asked if I was a feminist in the past.

Lol. Who asked you if you were a feminist? Thats never hapened to me, lol.

 

[Mayflower]

I used to label atheist but then I realized it wasn't that I didn't believe in God, it was really that I don't care too much one way or the other.

I find that answer is also better for sending away "have you heard the word" recruiters. If you answer, "yes, and not interested," they usually get the idea quicker than if you answered "no"

I learned that approach also worked better when asked if I was a feminist in the past.

Apatheist?

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Lol. Who asked you if you were a feminist? Thats never hapened to me, lol.

Used to happen a lot when I was younger.

 

[erm]

Webster's New Encycopedic Dictionary, 1993, says "atheism: The belief that there is no God: denial of the existence of a supreme being"

Okay well I can't find that one online. It's a weird one because it's different from most dictionaries and how the term is used, and the second clause is ambiguous rather than clarifying.

Anyway yeah, that's a terrible definition unless there's others listed with it.

I used to label atheist but then I realized it wasn't that I didn't believe in God, it was really that I don't care too much one way or the other.

I think the only special snowflake term that escapes the umbrella of atheism is ignosticism, which is only technically not atheism, even if it's effectively atheism and a position most atheists take when provoked enough to think about it. Agnosticism, apatheism, anti-theism and the others are all just variations of atheism.

 

[Galaxy Gazer]

Being atheist is not a negative. It is the belief no god exists, so its a positive. If they had said "agnostic" they might've had a point.

You misquoted me and now it looks like I insulted atheists :/

 

[Typh0n]

You misquoted me and now it looks like I insulted atheists :/

How did I misquote you? I quoted you and another poster...using the multi-quote function.

Edit: It seems I quoted Erm but when I did it came out as having Elia's name on it. I'm not sure how that happened, lol. Must be a bug? Anyways, its fixed now.

 

[Galaxy Gazer]

I don't think that is modern feminism. The whole point of feminism seems to be about letting women choose whatever kind of lifestyle they prefer rather than box them into one role. I don't think modern feminists would praise any kind of "women should..." statements because people shouldn't have to live their lives a certain way because of their gender.



Modern feminists don't think it's wrong for men to say "you look nice today" to a woman, but modern feminists do have a problem with men catcalling women.

To me it seems like you've had the misfortune of running into quite a few radical feminists, but I think most people who identify as feminist in this day & age don't align themselves with this kind of thinking. Even SJWs on Tumblr aren't bad like they're made out to be, but the troll accounts are sensationalized everywhere else because people take it seriously.

No, the women who make those claims are not feminists, bit feminists tend to support them and their choices. For example, Lady Gaga once said something along the lines of "women should be submissive in relationships," and even told her female fans that "it's bad for a relationship to tell men what to do," but she is now a feminist icon because she wrote a song about sexual abuse. It seems that modern feminists are more focused on seeing themselves as an oppressed minority-like group than defying stereotypes.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

it looks like I insulted atheists :/

I did not get that impression.

 

[Lark]

Oh right so "hell, yeah" is apparently a category, I dont remember that from when I studied feminism in uni and the popular definitions then were either first, second or third wave, on the one hand, or socialist, marxist/materialist, liberal, radical, libertarian/individualist or ecologist, on the other.

 

[ThaumaturgicTheorist]

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“No, but” feminists

This group is distinguished by the fact that none of them identifies as a feminist. 86% say they are not a feminist, and 5% say they are anti-feminist. But they are not the most hostile to feminism either. They largely support progressive policy positions, as do “Hell, yeah,” “okay, sure” and “yes, but” feminists. They are divided on whether the feminist movement is focused on the changes they want. They are more likely to view feminism as optimistic and empowering than outdated or angry, and a majority says the movement is still needed. 21% of all women are “No, but” feminists.


*shrugs*

 

[that's not my name]

“No, but” feminists



This group is distinguished by the fact that none of them identifies as a feminist. 86% say they are not a feminist, and 5% say they are anti-feminist. But they are not the most hostile to feminism either. They largely support progressive policy positions, as do “Hell, yeah,” “okay, sure” and “yes, but” feminists. They are divided on whether the feminist movement is focused on the changes they want. They are more likely to view feminism as optimistic and empowering than outdated or angry, and a majority says the movement is still needed. 21% of all women are “No, but” feminists.

 

[HongDou]

What [MENTION=26919]EliaBlack[/MENTION] said IS a part of feminism. Whether they are radfems or moderate, if they are self-labeling? They are a part of it. You cannot separate them no matter how much you want to make it look prettier.

Maybe you don't have to take the whole, on a personal level. I get that.

To each their own but negating those extreme voices as "we're not really like that" is a convenient way to not own the bad with the good. Especially, when it's so easy to find the bad/rad ones.

I would hope you mean, "I'm not like that" because that is all you can speak for.

why are we reigniting this from february? i can't even be bothered to remember what this conversation was about tbh

My 2 cents.

me: *picks up the coins and puts them back in your hand and taps your closed hand gently* keep it