Stereotype debunking thread.

[Flybylikeahurricane]

I created this thread to debunk stereotypes by listing what a type can be due to type being preferred processes rather than behavioral traits. Get creative as you can! I'll start.
Sensors can still be creative, like fantasy, engage in imagination, and enjoy philosophical discussions
Intuitives can still be realistic, play sports, be dumb, and be boring
Thinkers can still be good people, and think that helping people is the right thing to do
Feelers can still be logical, intelligent, rational, and good problem solvers

I personally think behavior if connected at all to jungian process fits more into the J/P and E/I preference, since that determines your lifestyle and which way you prefer to use your naturally preferred mental processes. I may be wrong though.

 

[Yama]

You can be an Si dom without being conservative, traditional, or religious.

You can be an ISFJ and not be warm and emotionally expressive and effusive.

You can be an ISFJ and not want a family or kids.

You can be an ISFJ and really hate socializing and interacting with people.

Having GAD doesn't automatically make you a 6 core.

 

[Flybylikeahurricane]

Great observations! The one about socializing is actually not surprising though given that ISFJs are energized by their Si rather than their Fe. I think what they mean by traditional and conservative is that since Si is an introverted perception function, they rely on a structured worldview and don't prefer a flurry of stimulating information. This worldview doesn't necessarily have to be a traditional worldview, especially since as an introverted function, their way of seeing the world is crafted individually. The difference between Si and Ni in that respect is that a Si worldview relies on past experiences and a Ni worldview relies on insight removed from the physical world.

I'll also add that Se can be hurt or influenced by the past and that the Si having to do with the past theory is a myth
That Ni can have more than one goal in life and that actually Ni has nothing to do with goals
That Se is not necessarily athletic, but rather physically attuned and hungry for new experiences.
That Ne has nothing to do with brainstorming and has more to do with openness to new abstract possibilities.
That Se still looks for possibilities, but these possibilities are concrete in nature and Se will almost always choose physical over imaginative stimulation.
That Fe is not a "let's blindly follow society function", though they are not comfortable with decisions based on no outer structure, the outer structure can be a social group or person of their choice.
That Te is not a leadership function, though Te possesses qualities that make a great stereotypical leader
That Fi is not a stupid crybaby and that Fi operates on values that don't necessarily have to be feminine
That Ti is more right brained and random than people give it credit for, since Ti doesn't feel comfortable using a set method of analysis, Ti is very random and intuitive when coming to conclusions.

 

[violet_crown]

I'd like to debunk the idea that ENTJs are all rich, successful people who wake up with perfect hair every morning.

Sadly, every bit of it is true. We really do have perfect, amazing lives and great hair.

 

[prplchknz]

I'd like to debunk the idea that ENTJs are all rich, successful people who wake up with perfect hair every morning.

Sadly, every bit of it is true. We really do have perfect, amazing lives and great hair.

 

[violet_crown]

I'm trying to be strong. Thank you.

 

[Luke O]

Not all INTPs have INTP hair. Because some INTPs are bald.

 

[Flybylikeahurricane]

Lol these are interesting conclusions, I always thought great hair would be stereotyped more with Se, since Se is most conerned with immediate physical aspects of the world. Although there are definitely plenty of Se-doms who have no hair or even don't take care of themselves due to psychological factors outside of jungian process.

 

[Galaxy Gazer]

Debunking that all INTPs are good at math and science.
Also debunking that all INTPs like anime.
And that we all struggle with learning social norms/customs.
And that we're heartless robot people.

 

[chickpea]

not all INFPs like anime

sometimes introverts and/or so-last people go out and socialize

not all potheads are ISFP 9s

Ns can take pleasure in mainstream music/entertainment

 

[Yama]

I'm an ISFJ. One of my favorite subjects in college has been philosophy of logic. I was literally paid money by my school to teach struggling NTs how to logic.

I'm not an optimistic beam of sunshine. I'm very grumpy.

I don't always care about others. I'd much rather sleep in than give my sister a ride to school. She can walk. It's not far.

I would rather shoot myself in the foot than chit chat with strangers while waiting in line at the supermarket.

I don't blindly follow the norms of society.

I was one of the most unpopular kids at school from kindergarten through 8th grade.

I don't know how to cook.

I procrastinate.

I'm not a girl. Seriously, why do so many ISFJ descriptions always refer to SFJs as "she"? (And NTs as "he" for that matter).

I like fantasy and writing.

 

[Exulansis]

I'm not a girl. Seriously, why do so many ISFJ descriptions always refer to SFJs as "she"?

Most SFJs are female, and most women will be ISFJs. That is a correct stereotype.

I will agree, however, that the "blindly following the crowd" stereotype is wrong. Fe just demands a great awareness of the crowd and it's standpoint. I wouldn't call it blind at all, especially if a Fe-dom/aux has developed strong principles and BS-detector, and can do fine in pin-pointing what to follow or not to follow.

 

[Yama]

Most SFJs are female, and most women will be ISFJs. That is a correct stereotype.

I will agree, however, that the "blindly following the crowd" stereotype is wrong. Fe just demands a great awareness of the crowd and it's standpoint. I wouldn't call it blind at all, especially if a Fe-dom/aux has developed strong principles and BS-detector, and can do fine in pin-pointing what to follow or not to follow.

Oh, I know ISFJs are the most common type, especially among females. I just think it would be preferable to keep type descriptions gender-neutral. Unless it's specifically a description for gender variations within a type. It's not a big deal, but it is kind of eyeroll-worthy, at least to me.

Yes, I follow my own principles, regardless of whether they are popular opinion or not. I think most people do. It's very common for Fe types to get written off as brainless drones whose opinions change with the wind.

 

[Exulansis]

Oh, I know ISFJs are the most common type, especially among females. I just think it would be preferable to keep type descriptions gender-neutral. Unless it's specifically a description for gender variations within a type. It's not a big deal, but it is kind of eyeroll-worthy, at least to me.

Then stating that as a stereotype to be debunked was wrong. But I'll stop nitpicking.

 

[Yama]

Then stating that as a stereotype to be debunked was wrong. But I'll stop nitpicking.

Would it be better if I rephrased it as "All ISFJs are girls"?

 

[Hitoshi-San]

As an ENTP, I enjoy arguing with people, but it has to be on something substantial or something I'm really trying to prove a point about, and I find it difficult and not fun to pick the opposing side of a view for the sake of a good debate.

becwhee I usually see them described as obnoxious, cocky, smart asses, and if all of this about me is true all the time, forgive me father for I have committed a sin against my own kind.

 

[Exulansis]

Would it be better if I rephrased it as "All ISFJs are girls"?

I guess. Idk if that's even a stereotype though, but that could be debunked quite easily. whatever floats your boat really.

 

[Yama]

I guess. Idk if that's even a stereotype though, but that could be debunked quite easily. whatever floats your boat really.

Yes, very easily debunked. Yet some can be surprisingly persistent!

 

[Arctic Hysteria]

Not all INFP loves Wes Anderson and Amélie. This one hates them.

 

[Fate]

Not all INTPs (like myself) are into arguing unless I feel certain things need to be shoved down your throat.