Stereotype debunking thread.

[Kheledon]

ENFj is regarded by many as the most "variable" of all the types, and by that Meged and Ovcharov, in particular, mean that ENFjs seldom resemble one another. They tend to be iconoclasticly unique individuals who are difficult to pidgeonhole.

Ethics- intuitive ekstravert: TEACHER
This is the most contradictory and most varied type of personality both internally and outwardly.
Most frequently variable, but not running, but a somewhat scattered view of eye they are expressive in Eie: they transfer first internal emotional incandescence, then is melancholy. Usually these emotions are not so much caused by real state of affairs, as they speak about the increased sensitiveness Eie.
Mimicry is also very diverse, obedient situation and that role, which is diverted Eie in this situation. This tuning of emotions occurs naturally and not always prednamerenno. Some representatives of this type have alarming, nervous smile, but majority smile rarely, preferring to preserve the serious expression of face. Emphasis added by @Kheledon.

Full type and subtype descriptions by Meged and Ovcharov

EIE is very difficult to accurately "force" into a personality box and particularly hard to type because we all appear to be very different. Or, such is the position of many who study Socionics. For this reason, stereotypes of ENFjs are often innacurate.

Edited to add:

I should also note that it's very difficult to "figure out" an ENFj precisely because the ENFj is perpetually trying to figure itself out.

Continually reinvents and reincarnates himself in some style.
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Internally, EIE is very contradictory.
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Over time, his worldviews may change to something diametrically opposite of what he has previously conceived.

Socionics - the16types.info - ENFj The Mentor profile by Gulenko

Though often surrounded by friends and supporters, they can feel lonely, living in a dark world of superficial supplications. They offer, and ask not ... leaving themselves an empty shell; they are the unreluctant givers of the types.
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One potential problems almost all ENFjs face is a general lack of the expression of their own identity; they can get so caught up in understanding the needs of others that they often times fail to do the things that would naturally define them as individuals. In result, some could adapt 'fake-it-to-make-it' approaches or mold to societies like a chameleons.

Socionics - the16types.info -

It's hard to "figure out" an ENFj because, for many of us, there's very little there to figure out. More than any other type, ENFj, has no stable core identity. An ENFj changes rapidly and unexpectedly. It is highly dynamic. As such, ENFj can easily become an "empty shell" of a person with no core identity whatsoever.

This makes us a pain to live with, to be sure.

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[Punderstorm]

IxFPS aren't messy, in fact every one I've met has this fascination with cleaning.

NT's are not all guys, in fact I know way more female rationals than male

INTJ's aren't always like Sherlock, in fact Sherlock is an ISTP!

As a feeler, I'm socially awkward as hell and could care less about making an inclusive enviroment. Seriously, does feeling automatically equal social skills?

As a 9w1, I have bad emotions , and I'm not afraid to openly express my irritation or anger. Also I don't spend 24/7 daydreaming about birds and peaceful environments, I've got better things to do, like daydreaming about WoW!

 

[fetus]

I'm a Sensor and I have a wild imagination, creativity, and a mind that seeks to go deeper. I don't want to toot my own horn or anything (this post does sound kinda prideful), but I thought I should try to say it anyway.

 

[Lark]

Its perhaps not a stereotype but I wonder the extent to which so called "high society" in real life would reflect what you see in shows like Revenge

 

[Kheledon]

INTJ's aren't always like Sherlock, in fact Sherlock is an ISTP!

I liked this post, but I have an off-topic comment to add. I don't see Sherlock Holmes as ISTP at all. I see him as E (he's always focused outward, doesn't like being alone--keeps Watson and Mrs. Hudson close--Watson is the I of the pair. Sherlock's a bit of a show-off too--more typically E behavior). The S/N axis is harder to nail down. While Sherlock can "switch on" his S mode, I think he's far more N. "This is a three pipe problem," he says. Sherlock has to stay in his head a lot in order to make the "inferences" that allow him to solve mysteries. To Watson, he says, "You are too timid in your inferences." (i.e. "You stink at N!") He also says to Watson, "You see but you do not observe." (i.e. "There's nothing wrong with your S, but you can't make sense of the data your S gives you because, again, you stink at N!") On F/T, I agree with T. He's all about problem/solution thinking, but it takes a bit of F to "imagine" what people's motives are. Still, I'll go with T. I think he's an Alpha (generally in a state of fidgety, relative relaxation, but hops to action and energized under stress, plus he must be allowed to speak and explain, plus he's essentially democratic--known to take the law into his own hands on occasion, as opposed to Mycroft who is aristocratic). So, I say:

Sherlock Holmes = ENTp, ILE, Alpha

 

[ZNP-TBA]

I liked this post, but I have an off-topic comment to add. I don't see Sherlock Holmes as ISTP at all. I see him as E (he's always focused outward, doesn't like being alone--keeps Watson and Mrs. Hudson close--Watson is the I of the pair. Sherlock's a bit of a show-off too--more typically E behavior). The S/N axis is harder to nail down. While Sherlock can "switch on" his S mode, I think he's far more N. "This is a three pipe problem," he says. Sherlock has to stay in his head a lot in order to make the "inferences" that allow him to solve mysteries. To Watson, he says, "You are too timid in your inferences." (i.e. "You stink at N!") He also says to Watson, "You see but you do not observe." (i.e. "There's nothing wrong with your S, but you can't make sense of the data your S gives you because, again, you stink at N!") On F/T, I agree with T. He's all about problem/solution thinking, but it takes a bit of F to "imagine" what people's motives are. Still, I'll go with T. I think he's an Alpha (generally in a state of fidgety, relative relaxation, but hops to action and energized under stress, plus he must be allowed to speak and explain, plus he's essentially democratic--known to take the law into his own hands on occasion, as opposed to Mycroft who is aristocratic). So, I say:

Sherlock Holmes = ENTp, ILE, Alpha

You just convinced me that the classic Sherlock is an ENTP/ENTp ILE , for the longest time I thought he was an INTJ.

How about Watson? I'm thinking ISFJ/ISFp SEI?

 

[Kheledon]

You just convinced me that the classic Sherlock is an ENTP/ENTp ILE , for the longest time I thought he was an INTJ.

How about Watson? I'm thinking ISFJ/ISFp SEI?

Oh, goodie! One of my favorite topics ...

Watson is ISF without a doubt (in my book). The j/p question is always tough for introverts. Because Watson is so judicious (internally relaxed, mainly, but activates under stress), I have to go with Alpha--SEI, ISFp (Harmonizer--as he can actually "calm down" both Holmes and Mrs. Hudson).

Consider the following:

Sensory Ethical Introvert (SEI, ISFp)

Names: SEI, ISFp, , SiFe, SE, Mediator, Peacemaker, Epicurean, Dumas
Subtypes: SEI-Si (Hedonist), SEI-Fe (Harmonizer)
Mood: Soft, helping; gentle smile; touch naturally; comfort oriented; sensual and expressive (lots of girlfriends)
Quadra: Alpha
Club: Socials (SF) (again, lots of girlfriends)
Temperament: Receptive-adaptive (IP) (Holmes' eccentricity doesn't bother him as much as it would others.)
Communication Style: Sincere (always, and without question, even if his judgments are occasionally poor)
Erotic Attitude: Caregiver
Cognitive Form: Dialectical-Algorithmic
Dichotomies: Introverted, Sensing, Ethical, Irrational, Dynamic, Yielding, Democratic, Strategic, Emotivist, Carefree, Merry, Judicious, Negativist, Process, Declaring
Intertype Relations: Dual (ILE), Identical (SEI), Mirror (ESE), Activator (LII), Kindred (SLI), Semi-dual (IEE), Illusionary (SLE), Business (IEI), Contrary (SEE), Superego (ILI), Quasi-identical (ESI), Conflictor (LIE), Supervisor (LSE), Supervisee (EIE), Benefactor (EII), Beneficiary (LSI)

Note that if I have Sherlock properly identified as ILE, then Watson is his dual--they make a perfect couple.

Emphasis added by @Kheledon.

Socionics - the16types.info - The Socion: Overview of the 16 Sociotypes

I fully agree with your gut on this!

 

[Masokissed]

I'm 'gifted'.

 

[á´…eparted]

ENFJ's love everyone and welcome everyone...

1w2's are conservative and "good boys/girls"...

 

[Masokissed]

ENFJ's love everyone and welcome everyone...

ENFJs are sooo picky lol.

 

[ceecee]

ENFJ's love everyone and welcome everyone...

Agreed. At least from observing my own ENFJ and it's not me rubbing off on him. He's always been this way. I'm probably more welcoming, generally.

 

[ZNP-TBA]

I actually do fit most of the ENTP stereotypes.

-I'm chaotic (i.e. not that organized unless I need to be such as for work, I like money better than making no money).
-I'm non-committal
-I like to distract myself with 'stuff' in the world as to not feel isolated and bored ( that's a killer to me).
-I'm uncomfortable when people cry around me and I perceive suffering ( I just don't know what to do or say), I detach and flee to my head.
-I need intellectual and physical independence
-Most xNTP types tend to not be religious in my experience.
-I'm a good debater and I typically enjoy it ( intellectual sparring)
-I have a general optimism about me
-I'm funny, confident, charming.

Stereotypes I break:

-I'm practical and won't let my intuition speculate too far removed from reality or the present.
-I'm a systematic thinker and appreciate graphs and external systems as a way of flushing out thoughts (Te-ish)
-I can be incredibly skeptical but not necessarily apathetic, I care about humanity in the abstract and consider myself kind of Promethean
-I usually think too much cynicism is just retarded.
-My mind and my language (speaking and writing) can be quite animated but physically I'm not hugely expressive ( I look stoic a lot of times, I could appear introverted even though I'm nothing of the sort).
-I enjoy good old fashioned physical activity like working out or playing sports ( whether I'm good or not is a subject of debate)
-I think I'm funny but probably miss the mark plenty of times.

 

[Tilt]

ENFJ's love everyone and welcome everyone...

Agreed. At least from observing my own ENFJ and it's not me rubbing off on him. He's always been this way. I'm probably more welcoming, generally.

Ha. I am the same way. I am "nice" and "formal" but act aloof and distant most of the time. But I do have an intensely caring core if I choose to let you in beyond the surface. I have been told that I have a personality of a cat. haha

 

[Tilt]

The stereotypes I fit:
I am good with words... especially in written form. I can get other people to see my side quite readily.
I know how to get what I want. It's easy for me to size people up.
I will go out of my way for those I truly love.
I am a global learner.
I have done things for "the greater good" even though I knew there were some heavy prices to pay.
I have some very strong boundaries within my relationships and will compartmentalize social groups.


Stereotypes I break:
I try to be more head over heart in many areas of my life.
I try to avoid being the "morality police" or "mother hen".
I am not a huge people person or crowdpleaser.
I am a fairly messy/disorganized person.
I am not emotionally expressive all the time.

 

[Lady Lazarus]

I have never been and will never be interested in being "the people's" anything. But that's not exactly off or precluding, all things considered.

 

[Forever]

Yeah the "ENFJ's" I've encountered, they're well known among some circles mostly for good, but when you meet them, you're kind of disappointed they don't live to this amazing stereotype you heard about them. Like this one just never smiled, always said weird things, and was kind of lazy tbh. But you didn't hate him either and still believe he did good things for you. But his place was clean lol.

ENTJ's are much more funny and can ENFJ'ish in some ways.


Maybe I have been passing by INFJ's and they must've been dicks rather than saviors. Oh well. Lol.

 

[fetus]

My ESFJ mom got nearly all A's in high school. She went to a different university than her two older sisters because she wanted her own identity, apart from family. She then majored in math and engineering. Today, she's the "fix it" person in the house, enjoying building doors and such. We've saved money on plumbers and construction because she does a great deal herself. She's created contraptions that make daily tasks easier and eliminate issues. Also, I'll be damned, she knows how to pack bags. My mom could probably fit an entire oven inside a handbag. Her spatial intelligence is remarkable. Take that, stereotypes!

Although I'm not gonna lie, she still bakes banana bread for the new neighbors.

 

[Forever]

How I love live my stereotype now:
One sided relationships
I hear people's life stories
I'm really introverted after spending just a little time with people especially in a group.
I tend to know what people generally feel
I can wear a social mask
Pretty liberal in some areas
I'm pretty mysterious

 

[Tilt]

Yeah the "ENFJ's" I've encountered, they're well known among some circles mostly for good, but when you meet them, you're kind of disappointed they don't live to this amazing stereotype you heard about them. Like this one just never smiled, always said weird things, and was kind of lazy tbh. But you didn't hate him either and still believe he did good things for you. But his place was clean lol.

ENTJ's are much more funny and can ENFJ'ish in some ways.


Maybe I have been passing by INFJ's and they must've been dicks rather than saviors. Oh well. Lol.

Yeah that's been my experience too. I am not popular at all but the people who do gravitate toward me seem to have a really hard time letting me go. I don't know what it is.

 

[Forever]

Yeah that's been my experience too. I am not popular at all but the people who do gravitate toward me seem to have a really hard time letting me go. I don't know what it is.

Yeah real life experience really says is that no type is really overall better than others.