thoughtlost
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Gosh I'm weird.
hahahahaha, omg...
that's pretty sexy; please stop
Gosh I'm weird.
Just trying to ease the psychological damage if we ever start naming names.
*mentions [MENTION=21639]Kullervo[/MENTION]* here's some more points for you since you seem skeptical of what Starry's trying to say.
Of course you had to drop my name in there at the end. I don't know, it is kind of courteous to ask before mischaracterising somebody's view.
Still, I enjoyed reading the rest of your post.
I dunno what I'm mischaracterizing. Starry's thread is about ESFJs frequently mistyping as ENFPs, and you responded "I find it really hard to see how these mistypes could occur if the person understands the theory." So I @'d you to try to alleviate that skepticism. Don't think you're being intentionally oppositional or anything, just throwing you some more ideas to work with.
You seem blissfully unaware about how condescending you sound.
So, Forum Trolling 201. Class, Tactics:
1. Make an absurdly long post that is tangential to the claim you supposedly object to. In this way, you create an "information overload" - the brain's memory capacity is exhausted - that shuts down the flow of the thread and you look very intelligent in the process.
2. Slip in a dig about your opponent right at the end without any prior mention of him. This creates the maximum possible effect, because he is emotionally unprepared for what is to come
3. Double down on your innocence when your intentions are questioned, and
4. Enlist allies to mass spam the thread to ensure a total knockout
Wasn't trying to be.
Um, I don't see you as my opponent or thought about doing any of this stuff. I was contributing to the thread because Starry and I are friends who have discussed this issue many times so I wanted to write a meaningful post as I felt like our conversations were leading up to a thread like this. Did not write this in opposition to you. The only reason I mentioned you was because you said you had a hard time believing this specific mistyping is becoming a trend, so I thought maybe you would want to consider other things too that hadn't been mentioned yet - honestly I only @'d in an edit to my post because I skimmed through the thread after posting...I was writing that post once I made my initial post on the first page.
No reason to be on the defense here, if you like what I said about the topic then that's all that matters really.
I thought this place was for people to chat about typology.
If it makes you feel any better I made an incorrect assumption about your meaning in the other thread and subsequently started this one. I took you to mean that you had some insight into this phenomenon and should have known better. You can't be trusted not to destroy every single thread you're involved in with your arrogance - got it. Now please leave us to it. There are other places for you to not make friends.
You won't see me in this thread again, I can promise you that.
Ha. Interesting. I have a hard time conceptually confusing the two in my head.... ENFPs are just so different and ESFJs are just so... Seated in their realm of "normal".
That's why so many ESFJs mistype as ENFPs--because everyone thinks they're normal and boring but they feel more complex than the stereotype allows.
That's why so many ESFJs mistype as ENFPs--because everyone thinks they're normal and boring but they feel more complex than the stereotype allows.
Thank you, thank you, thank you 21lux.
I was just telling Chanaynay that I'm slightly under the weather and trying to talk about something that causes people discomfort.
Ill have to try again when I'm a bit stronger...but I'm very deliberately using "The People's ENFP" because I believe there is more ESFJ in what everyone claims to love about the ENFP - than ENFP.
I have seen the ESFJ zany side... It's a much more subdued Ne humor/punny for people who they tend to closer to. It sometimes gives them an "inappropriate", raunchy, seemingly out of character sense of humor (kind of poking fun of Si observations and Fe "expectations"). However, the primary mode seems to be about fitting into whatever standards that they deem normal.
ENFPs are pretty zany all the time.... It's part of the charm. To me, it feels like a tidal wave. Lol
I mean, it's kind of simplistic to see ESFJs as just society-following simpletons with no thoughts or ideas of their own, which is what a lot of ESFJ stereotypes are like. Nor are all ENFPs zany all the time without the capacity to slow down and have any chill. I'm not trying to imply that's what you specifically were saying, but that that's why potential ESFJs would rather think they're ENFPS, by implying that ESFJs are essentially just more boring versions of ENFPs. It's similar to why ISFJs often mistype as INFJs--because S types are simple and N types are "deep" and who wants to think of themselves as simple?
Obviously not all ENFPs are mistyped ESFJs, but I think the reason you don't see a lot of ESFJs around on the forum is because they've all mistyped as a different type (and the trend tends to be ENFP). Because why be a boring, uninteresting ESFJ with a lame sense of humor when you can be a fun and exciting and bubbly ENFP instead?