[Se] Se = "What could be" vs. Ne = "What can't be"

[cascadeco]

I don't really think OP examples are illustrating pure Se. If anything Ni is in the mix to broaden perspective from immediate perception, but I don't think it's Se you're describing per se.

 

[strychnine]

I've already read that bit and responded to it. Perhaps you should scroll up a bit.


Yes, this is true, but it doesn't relate to the incorrect definition you are suggesting.

Intuitives are supposed to be the rarer type. Naturally, people want to feel special and thus want an excuse to feel that way. Additionally, Ns are often thought of as more intelligent than Ss. To sum up: N = "special snowflake that is better than everyone else" (note that this is not actually how I view Ns). People have written pages on this stuff, and I'm really not one to present it in an eloquent manner.

You responded with an absurd pumpkin/kitten analogy, which is totally irrelevant and makes no sense. I'm not comparing two totally different objects; I'm comparing two extremely similar cognitive functions.

Anyway there's no point talking about this as I refuse to be typed an intuitive type, anyway.

I don't really think OP examples are illustrating pure Se. If anything Ni is in the mix to broaden perspective from immediate perception, but I don't think it's Se you're describing per se.

Could you possibly explain a bit about Ni? I've always had a hard time understanding it even though it's supposedly my tertiary function.

 

[/DG/]

You responded with an absurd pumpkin/kitten analogy, which is totally irrelevant and makes no sense. I'm not comparing two totally different objects; I'm comparing two extremely similar cognitive functions.

Eh, that's a matter of opinion.

 

[cascadeco]

You responded with an absurd pumpkin/kitten analogy, which is totally irrelevant and makes no sense. I'm not comparing two totally different objects; I'm comparing two extremely similar cognitive functions.

Anyway there's no point talking about this as I refuse to be typed an intuitive type, anyway.




Could you possibly explain a bit about Ni? I've always had a hard time understanding it even though it's supposedly my tertiary function.

Sure. What I mean is, in my understanding, Se is about taking in what's there, the immediate reality, and of course 'immediate reality' could be very nuanced and complex, if for example in a company or organization. It's simply perceiving that. And then ability to act on that knowledge, immediately. But that's where the other functions would come in -- Se in and of itself isn't going to conclude anything, isn't going to go down the grapevine of connecting dots (ie your mobile home example), and coming up with some 'solution'. It's why according to mbti theory various functions go hand in hand -- so Ni could then be doing the behind the scenes 'magical' connections, to come up with an ultimate vision or answer. My point being, I don't think your heated-road idea or mobile home idea has much to do with Se. I think it's other functions coming into play that work with Se.

I'm no expert on definitions though, so am not super precise with defining Ni, so don't quote me on any of that, ha.

 

[strychnine]

Sure. What I mean is, in my understanding, Se is about taking in what's there, the immediate reality, and of course 'immediate reality' could be very nuanced and complex, if for example in a company or organization. It's simply perceiving that. And then ability to act on that knowledge, immediately. But that's where the other functions would come in -- Se in and of itself isn't going to conclude anything, isn't going to go down the grapevine of connecting dots (ie your mobile home example), and coming up with some 'solution'. It's why according to mbti theory various functions go hand in hand -- so Ni could then be doing the behind the scenes 'magical' connections, to come up with an ultimate vision or answer. My point being, I don't think your heated-road idea or mobile home idea has much to do with Se. I think it's other functions coming into play that work with Se.

I'm no expert on definitions though, so am not super precise with defining Ni, so don't quote me on any of that, ha.

Thanks. That makes sense. I might have some kind of Se=Ni situation going on, I don't know. I had no idea that was Ni! So cool.

 

[Diablesse]

I think I may have some kind of Se = Ni going on

 

[/DG/]

[MENTION=10383]strychnine[/MENTION] - Perhaps you might enjoy this video. It looks at Se paired with Ni and Si paired with Ne. It's a bit too abstract for my liking, though we are looking at something abstract in nature to begin with.

 

[1487610420]

I think I may have some kind of the mis=typed going on.

 

[strychnine]

[MENTION=10383]strychnine[/MENTION] - Perhaps you might enjoy this video. It looks at Se paired with Ni and Si paired with Ne. It's a bit too abstract for my liking, though we are looking at something abstract in nature to begin with.

Forced myself to watch that (despite my seething hatred of that Pierce guy). Now I don't relate to any perceiving functions at all. Great!

I think I may have some kind of the mis=typed going on.

I was typed by people on this forum so y'all are responsible. http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/what-s-my-type-/35001-tested-ixxx-help-type-3.html#post1360483

 

[RobinSkye]

Forced myself to watch that (despite my seething hatred of that Pierce guy). Now I don't relate to any perceiving functions at all. Great!

Just because others have typed you a certain way, doesn't mean the typing is correct. I do agree with the Fi-Te axis for your type, however.




I was typed by people on this forum so y'all are responsible. http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/what-s-my-type-/35001-tested-ixxx-help-type-3.html#post1360483

Just because others have typed you a certain way, doesn't mean the typing is correct. I do agree with the Fi-Te axis for your type, however.

 

[strychnine]

Just because others have typed you a certain way, doesn't mean the typing is correct. I do agree with the Fi-Te axis for your type, however.

Yeah, I'm not going to take anything you say remotely seriously after our conversation in the other thread.

And hey, where's your evidence, since you were so insistent that I show mine?

 

[/DG/]

Forced myself to watch that (despite my seething hatred of that Pierce guy). Now I don't relate to any perceiving functions at all. Great!

Hm....I didn't realize people hated the guy. Don't really listen to his stuff much, but meh.

 

[RobinSkye]

Yeah, I'm not going to take anything you say remotely seriously after our conversation in the other thread.

And hey, where's your evidence, since you were so insistent that I show mine?

>Whines "lala I don't listen to you"
>begs explanation/continued debate anyway

How typical.

But there's a start. For an introvert, you certainly don't seem to reflect on your actions a whole lot.

 

[strychnine]

>Whines "lala I don't listen to you"
>begs explanation/continued debate anyway

How typical.

But there's a start. For an introvert, you certainly don't seem to reflect on your actions a whole lot.

Wasn't seriously asking you for evidence.

 

[INTP]

Sensation is same as perception through sense organs. Extraverted sensation is more effected by the concrete sensation, while introverted sensation is more effected by the personal impressions of the sensations. Intuition is perception through the unconscious mind, it sees possibilities. Extraverted intuition is more effected by the possibilities about the concrete things in the external world. Introverted intuition is less effected by the possibilities of the concrete things, but about abstracted(thing reduced to its essentials) information that are formed by the subjective mind.
So no, "what could be" is not sensing, but intuition.

What comes to what cant be vs what could be, its more about Ni vs Ne. For example when me, our ENTP friend and INTJ friend are trying to brainstorm on something, its usually the INTJ who comes up with possibilities of why it wouldnt work, while me and the ENTP are trying to figure out possibilities on how it could work. NTP vs NTJ mind set is more like NTPs try to come up with possibilities on how it could work and then use Ti to figure out reasons why the idea wouldnt work. NTJ mind set is more like gather all the facts and then use intuition to come up with all sorts of imaginative possibilities on why it wouldnt work, not based on so much on reason, but just intuitive perceptions.

 

[VagrantFarce]

This sounds like lower Se in Ni types (NJs), not highly-developed Se in Se types (SPs). I couldn't come up with those adjectives if I tried, and I rarely experience things "as-is" (I can't even comprehend that to be honest). I'm rarely aware of sensory details. What you're describing sounds like what NJs would say on the rare occasions they were immersed in Se.

If you're "rarely aware" of sensory details...I don't know why you're trying to force the conclusion of having "highly-developed" Se.

 

[strychnine]

Sensation is same as perception through sense organs. Extraverted sensation is more effected by the concrete sensation, while introverted sensation is more effected by the personal impressions of the sensations. Intuition is perception through the unconscious mind, it sees possibilities. Extraverted intuition is more effected by the possibilities about the concrete things in the external world. Introverted intuition is less effected by the possibilities of the concrete things, but about abstracted(thing reduced to its essentials) information that are formed by the subjective mind.
So no, "what could be" is not sensing, but intuition.

Ok, interesting. But I don't really get it - if sensation is the same as perception through the 5 senses, then shouldn't everyone be a sensor? I'm also not clear on what unconscious perception means, I'm quite conscious of existing within the world.

If you're "rarely aware" of sensory details...I don't know why you're trying to force the conclusion of having "highly-developed" Se.

I should have been clearer. I'm just not aware of how aware I am of sensory details, because I have no contrast, not having lived in someone else's head. My point was that someone with lower Se, who is rarely immersed in Se, would be aware of suddenly becoming aware of sensory details - not unlike INJs who point out noises that are rather obvious to me, when stressed and immersed in their inferior Se rather than their usual Ni/Je perspectives. Does that make sense? haha, I know sometimes I don't make sense.

 

[strychnine]

[MENTION=6554]/DG/[/MENTION] [MENTION=5632]VagrantFarce[/MENTION] [MENTION=6723]phobik[/MENTION] -- I meant to add that I don't really see a lot of possibilities or anything. What I wrote in the OP (and some beyond that) is pretty much it. Those were all the ideas I had worth mentioning over a couple days or so. Ne types seem to see a million possibilities everywhere and all the time, which is not how I am.

 

[IZthe411]

Sensation is same as perception through sense organs. Extraverted sensation is more effected by the concrete sensation, while introverted sensation is more effected by the personal impressions of the sensations. Intuition is perception through the unconscious mind, it sees possibilities. Extraverted intuition is more effected by the possibilities about the concrete things in the external world. Introverted intuition is less effected by the possibilities of the concrete things, but about abstracted(thing reduced to its essentials) information that are formed by the subjective mind.
So no, "what could be" is not sensing, but intuition.

What comes to what cant be vs what could be, its more about Ni vs Ne. For example when me, our ENTP friend and INTJ friend are trying to brainstorm on something, its usually the INTJ who comes up with possibilities of why it wouldnt work, while me and the ENTP are trying to figure out possibilities on how it could work. NTP vs NTJ mind set is more like NTPs try to come up with possibilities on how it could work and then use Ti to figure out reasons why the idea wouldnt work. NTJ mind set is more like gather all the facts and then use intuition to come up with all sorts of imaginative possibilities on why it wouldnt work, not based on so much on reason, but just intuitive perceptions.

I love working with NTPs. I look at it as if NTPs tend to expand on the data while NTJs us it to narrow down and give focus. So there's this constant back and forth of the NTP throwing out possibilities and ideas and the NTJ chipping away at it, not to kill it but to refine the idea, unless the idea doesn't stand a chance in the real world, then I'll blast it to pieces.

 

[Poki]

I wouldn't pin "why something won't work" on INTJ, Ne ideas can be way out there which and Ni person easily distinguishes as not possible. As an Ni user I can extrapolate and even run with the idea. Ne is very shallow when it comes to that stuff..they have lots of ideas that aren't much thought out before it comes out. Ni will process ideas before it gets thrown out. Ne may see Ni as negative or "it won't work". While Ni sees Ne as more bounce off wall.

Ne comes up with possibilities, Ni judges the possibilities.