[ENFP] enfps are evil

[Istbkleta]

many enfps are trained out of that fairly young as careers dont value caring-thus adopt very heavy Te behaviorisms, but tempered by a very ugly Fi defensive reactions, Its got a lot of ugly to it.

You reflected here on the ENFP bully mentality.
INFPs are very political and sly and easily turn into passive-aggressive tyrants with Te outbursts.
ESFP become easily paranoid, brooding tyrants.

It appears ISFPs are the most resistant to the seductive powers of Te tyranny.
What have been your experiences with ISFPs' Te?

 

[INTJ123]

I worked for an enfp once, and she blamed me for something some other workers did..... because she felt more "comfortable" doing it to me? lol..... but the people who actually made the mistake heard not one word. I was tempted to go give them a piece of my mind but I thought the old lady should of learned to do that by now and I wasn't about to do her a favor when she just used me as her emotional punching bag.

I know the shortcomings of enfps all too well, which makes romantic relationships with them less exciting for me now. I can anticipate too much of what they will do, although they still do it in surprising fun ways.

 

[andresimon]

Oooh, there's evidence that I might indeed be this type.



I shied away from self-typing as ENFP when all the ENFPs on the internet started bragging about how calm, moral, and kindhearted they were, and I'm just too much of a douche to match up with any of it.

ENFP's are rarely evil. It can happen though. We rarely, strike first. But hate injustice.

 

[boomslang]

Basically all of the T types are puppy dogs in comparison to ENFPs. But that's looking more at actions and not words. I've found them to be almost effortlessly cruel and sometimes sociopathic in my experience.

 

[Ribonuke]

I used to think ENFPs were selfless and well-intentioned, if not a bit wacky. And they are...in their own heads.

And then I realized that one of my close friends was a raging ENFP, and that part of him was exactly what I despised. One time, he panicked and melted down repeatedly over the possibility of "the sun blowing up". I told him he wouldn't have to worry about it, because it wouldn't happen for "billions and billions of--" and then he started SCREAMING, POUNDING on the walls, and then ran out of the room crying; he was at least 13, if not older, when this happened.

I recently made another friend who was an ENFP who unfortunately had similar issues; she would be prone to panic, shriek-crying, and then doing extremely impulsive things that only screwed me and my other friends over further. Even when I acknowledged her feelings and told her she wasn't 'crazy for having emotions', she still got mad at me whenever I told her that her way of going about her emotions was extremely inefficient and irrational.

When other types are dealing with ENFPs, however, I've found that the combination of Dominant Ne (which can lead them to fresh ideas, but also just as often lead them to jump to erroneous conclusions), Auxiliary Fi (which makes them go by their own values and what they FEEL is right, which can be EXTREMELY dangerous if they are too self-serving or if their "heart is in the wrong place"), and then Childish Te (which makes them verrrrry likely to go overboard in compartmentalizing and taking action on what their Fi has generated.)

All of these combined factors can make ENFPs look Borderline; a lot of people think Borderline people are "evil", since they defined by their emotional instability and self-serving behaviors.

Does that mean all ENFPs are 'evil'?

My experience says 'yes, they look sweet at first, but when true hardship arises, they eventually show their true colors'.

People are free to debate me on this, since I'm biased due to being an ESTP; it's become apparent in recent years that my own trickster/demonic Ne/Fi can only be used for destructive purposes, so of COURSE I'm going to project this onto anyone else who uses Ne-Fi.

 

[humblebee]

Basically all of the T types are puppy dogs in comparison to ENFPs. But that's looking more at actions and not words. I've found them to be almost effortlessly cruel and sometimes sociopathic in my experience.

I agree.
I have an infp best friend. We are incredibly high functioning sociopaths with a huge group of friends that love us dearly. Our minds are morbid, raunchy, and what some would consider amoral. Our loyalties lie with our passions. Not societal conventions.

I know I have the tendency to hide things from people, keep others in the dark, because that way they aren't hurt and everyone is happy and gets what they want. (See?)

Also, NTs closest to me, who I open up my deepest depths to tell me I'm cruel. Or, I have the capacity to be, anyway. I'm fully aware of this.

I do generally care for others and want the best for everyone, but that's not the top of my priority list. I am.

I used to think my ENFPness was mistyped because I'm not a ditzy glitter butterfly with puppies and rainbows and I hate the word cuddle. But I think people just like playing into the stereotype.

 

[andresimon]

Basically all of the T types are puppy dogs in comparison to ENFPs. But that's looking more at actions and not words. I've found them to be almost effortlessly cruel and sometimes sociopathic in my experience.

Lol... This thread has become some sort of joke. Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Joseph Stalin, Napolean Bonaparte. ENTJ's are strongly linked to the Compulsive personality as well as the Sadistic Personality. Paranoid sadists (I'm DRAMATICALLY generalizing here).

I guess I'm looking at INTENTIONS & OUTCOMES . A poorly developed ENFP can be "evil". But our baseline is people possibilities. From all the types we desire most to be heroes. From all the types we hold standards and values in the highest regard. It's a joke the way you as well as everyone else here is generalizing ENFP's. We are strongly linked to the Hisotronic personality disorders. Always look to get attention and acting out to do so and we can be borderline, narcissistic, and hypomanic. In short we are HIGHLY volatile and VERY expressive and often times in not the most positive way...we troll a lot.

Everything anyone has described in this thread that they view as "evil" has been linked to some of the tendencies of poorly developed ENFP's but you guys are using ALL the wrong adjectives. They are NOT consistent with ENFP's.

You have bunched a whole bunch of things into a single word, "Evil" or "Sociopaths, "Psychopaths". With the two most extreme comments coming from ENTJ's and ENTP's. Lol...Funny how ENFP's are being called sociopathic when the ESTP is known as the psychopath and/or sociopath personality when poorly developed. And poorly developed ENTJ's are compulsive sadists.

Although an ENFP can GET THEIR eventually within the full spectrum of experience in the world, you are BOUND to find all personality types showing all levels of behavior. BUT this is not our standard baseline. While BOTH ESTP's and ENTJ's would get to that point of what our society normally views as "evil" FAR more quickly because it is in the baseline of their cognition. Meaning environment does NOT have to play as large of a roll for ENTJ or ESTP's. From probabilistic standpoint you guys should be pointing the fingers back at yourselves before you point it an ENFP.

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I used to think ENFPs were selfless and well-intentioned, if not a bit wacky. And they are...in their own heads.

And then I realized that one of my close friends was a raging ENFP, and that part of him was exactly what I despised. One time, he panicked and melted down repeatedly over the possibility of "the sun blowing up". I told him he wouldn't have to worry about it, because it wouldn't happen for "billions and billions of--" and then he started SCREAMING, POUNDING on the walls, and then ran out of the room crying; he was at least 13, if not older, when this happened.

I recently made another friend who was an ENFP who unfortunately had similar issues; she would be prone to panic, shriek-crying, and then doing extremely impulsive things that only screwed me and my other friends over further. Even when I acknowledged her feelings and told her she wasn't 'crazy for having emotions', she still got mad at me whenever I told her that her way of going about her emotions was extremely inefficient and irrational.

When other types are dealing with ENFPs, however, I've found that the combination of Dominant Ne (which can lead them to fresh ideas, but also just as often lead them to jump to erroneous conclusions), Auxiliary Fi (which makes them go by their own values and what they FEEL is right, which can be EXTREMELY dangerous if they are too self-serving or if their "heart is in the wrong place"), and then Childish Te (which makes them verrrrry likely to go overboard in compartmentalizing and taking action on what their Fi has generated.)

All of these combined factors can make ENFPs look Borderline; a lot of people think Borderline people are "evil", since they defined by their emotional instability and self-serving behaviors.

Does that mean all ENFPs are 'evil'?

My experience says 'yes, they look sweet at first, but when true hardship arises, they eventually show their true colors'.

People are free to debate me on this, since I'm biased due to being an ESTP; it's become apparent in recent years that my own Ne/Fi can only be used for destructive purposes, so of COURSE I'm going to project this onto anyone else who uses Ne-Fi.

I guess I'm looking at INTENTIONS & OUTCOMES . A poorly developed ENFP can be "evil". But our baseline is people possibilities. From all the types we desire most to be heroes. From all the types we hold standards and values in the highest regard. It's a joke the way you as well as everyone else here is generalizing ENFP's. We are strongly linked to the Hisotronic personality disorders. Always look to get attention and acting out to do so and we can be borderline, narcissistic, and hypomanic. In short we are HIGHLY volatile and VERY expressive and often times in not the most positive way...we troll a lot.

Everything anyone has described in this thread that they view as "evil" has been linked to some of the tendencies of poorly developed ENFP's but you guys are using ALL the wrong adjectives. They are NOT consistent with ENFP's.

You have bunched a whole bunch of things into a single word, "Evil" or "Sociopaths, "Psychopaths". With the two most extreme comments coming from ENTJ's and ENTP's. Lol...Funny how ENFP's are being called sociopathic when the ESTP is known as the psychopath and/or sociopath personality when poorly developed. And poorly developed ENTJ's are compulsive sadists.

Although an ENFP can GET THEIR eventually within the full spectrum of experience in the world, you are BOUND to find all personality types showing all levels of behavior. BUT this is not our standard baseline. While BOTH ESTP's and ENTJ's would get to that point of what our society normally views as "evil" FAR more quickly because it is in the baseline of their cognition. Meaning environment does NOT have to play as large of a roll for ENTJ or ESTP's. From probabilistic standpoint you guys should be pointing the fingers back at yourselves before you point it an ENFP.

Like most things in life. The expressive is more "tangible" and "visible" and thus more noticed becomes the focal point of peoples attention. Dig a little deeper.

 

[uumlau]

Go learn a little bit more about cognition princess.

Right back at you.

A poorly developed ENFP can be "evil".

And what leads you to believe that you are "developed"? Or at least not "poorly"?

There is no "developed". There is only "developing".

 

[Ribonuke]

Lol... This thread has become some sort of joke. Dick Cheney, Karl Rove, Joseph Stalin, Napolean Bonaparte. ENTJ's are strongly linked to the Compulsive personality as well as the Sadistic Personality. Paranoid sadists (I'm DRAMATICALLY generalizing here).

I guess I'm looking at INTENTIONS & OUTCOMES . A poorly developed ENFP can be "evil". But our baseline is people possibilities. From all the types we desire most to be heroes. From all the types we hold standards and values in the highest regard. It's a joke the way you as well as everyone else here is generalizing ENFP's. We are strongly linked to the Hisotronic personality disorders. Always look to get attention and acting out to do so and we can be borderline, narcissistic, and hypomanic. In short we are HIGHLY volatile and VERY expressive and often times in not the most positive way...we troll a lot.

Everything anyone has described in this thread that they view as "evil" has been linked to some of the tendencies of poorly developed ENFP's but you guys are using ALL the wrong adjectives. They are NOT consistent with ENFP's.

You have bunched a whole bunch of things into a single word, "Evil" or "Sociopaths, "Psychopaths". With the two most extreme comments coming from ENTJ's and ENTP's. Lol...Funny how ENFP's are being called sociopathic when the ESTP is known as the psychopath and/or sociopath personality when poorly developed. And poorly developed ENTJ's are compulsive sadists.

Although an ENFP can GET THEIR eventually within the full spectrum of experience in the world, you are BOUND to find all personality types showing all levels of behavior. BUT this is not our standard baseline. While BOTH ESTP's and ENTJ's would get to that point of what our society normally views as "evil" FAR more quickly because it is in the baseline of their cognition. Meaning environment does NOT have to play as large of a roll for ENTJ or ESTP's. From probabilistic standpoint you guys should be pointing the fingers back at yourselves before you point it an ENFP.

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I guess I'm looking at INTENTIONS & OUTCOMES . A poorly developed ENFP can be "evil". But our baseline is people possibilities. From all the types we desire most to be heroes. From all the types we hold standards and values in the highest regard. It's a joke the way you as well as everyone else here is generalizing ENFP's. We are strongly linked to the Hisotronic personality disorders. Always look to get attention and acting out to do so and we can be borderline, narcissistic, and hypomanic. In short we are HIGHLY volatile and VERY expressive and often times in not the most positive way...we troll a lot.

Everything anyone has described in this thread that they view as "evil" has been linked to some of the tendencies of poorly developed ENFP's but you guys are using ALL the wrong adjectives. They are NOT consistent with ENFP's.

You have bunched a whole bunch of things into a single word, "Evil" or "Sociopaths, "Psychopaths". With the two most extreme comments coming from ENTJ's and ENTP's. Lol...Funny how ENFP's are being called sociopathic when the ESTP is known as the psychopath and/or sociopath personality when poorly developed. And poorly developed ENTJ's are compulsive sadists.

Although an ENFP can GET THEIR eventually within the full spectrum of experience in the world, you are BOUND to find all personality types showing all levels of behavior. BUT this is not our standard baseline. While BOTH ESTP's and ENTJ's would get to that point of what our society normally views as "evil" FAR more quickly because it is in the baseline of their cognition. Meaning environment does NOT have to play as large of a roll for ENTJ or ESTP's. From probabilistic standpoint you guys should be pointing the fingers back at yourselves before you point it an ENFP.

Like most things in life. The expressive is more "tangible" and "visible" and thus more noticed becomes the focal point of peoples attention. Dig a little deeper.

Pretty much the reaction I was expecting; but sometimes, one has to venture out on a limb to make a point in the name of making sure all sides of an issue are heard.

 

[magpie]

If an action harms others, then the intent behind the action doesn't matter. The action was harmful. This is bad. Whose perspecitve are we considering anyway? The person who acted or the person who received the action? And how else do you judge a person then on their actions? What is personality, if not a pattern of actions? Character and thought = action, according to Aristotle's Poetics.

 

[Betty Blue]

I think some types can misinterpret ENFP's and believe their motives to be untoward, honestly they rarely are... they are more manipulative in a 1-2-1 sense than of many people (thats more an ENFJ's bag). They can be super rubbish at safeguarding the feelings of the ones they care about simply because they are not great at long term care... they are generally not cut out for it, but they do have lots of other benefits and seek to find people who can help them in their weak areas. I remember a group of (well just three people) once told me they had discussed who was the most likely of the socionics crew to be a sociopath... and apparently they chose to endow me with that title... I was like "Wahhhhht?' I think sometimes people view me through a different lens and think...'eh! no-one is that nice, something is amiss'. I am genuinely that nice, but... but I am also really quite judgemental. So i'm not all good, i'm also not super self sacrificial... I have learnt self pres and take care of myself a lot better now. Eneywey... I digress.

Most ENFP's are not evil. Lol what is evil anyway... are we talking morally 'bad/wrong'?

 

[EcK]

I think enfps make superb escorts

 

[andresimon]

Pretty much the reaction I was expecting; but sometimes, one has to venture out on a limb to make a point in the name of making sure all sides of an issue are heard.

You can expect it or not expect it. You can also make "points" but in this case your point was ABSURDLY false. More importantly, HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of ENFP's exist in the world. And yet, you characterized ALL of them as Evil. You didn't accidentally generalize, a forgivable offence since we humans make that mistake often, but you strait up asked and answered a question. "Does this mean all ENFP's" are evil?" You are a $#&& moron to say the least.

Here is some negative "TYPE" GENERALIZATIONS about your type. Most likely to be a psychopath. Most likely to be a sociopath. When I think of "EVIL" that's what I think of. Most likely to be a little on the "dumb" side when it comes to understanding conceptual concepts. Like MBTI LMAO. Big words hurt your brain much? It's ok you are "witty" and "practical" so who cares if you are a little on the dumb side. Right?

Get a clue.

 

[andresimon]

I think enfps make superb escorts

Finally someone is making sense in this thread.

 

[andresimon]

If an action harms others, then the intent behind the action doesn't matter. The action was harmful. This is bad. Whose perspecitve are we considering anyway? The person who acted or the person who received the action? And how else do you judge a person then on their actions? What is personality, if not a pattern of actions? Character and thought = action, according to Aristotle's Poetics.

Outcomes matter. Intent also matters because a negative intent will over the long term tilt outcomes towards the negative. A positive intent the opposite. Sometimes people miss-characterize intent but it is rare that a well intentioned person will consistently hurt you. Have you ever been in a bad relationship or business arrangement where things seemed to consistently go against you? Peal it back far enough and you will find ill intentions underlying your woes .

 

[andresimon]

If an action harms others, then the intent behind the action doesn't matter. The action was harmful. This is bad. Whose perspecitve are we considering anyway? The person who acted or the person who received the action? And how else do you judge a person then on their actions? What is personality, if not a pattern of actions? Character and thought = action, according to Aristotle's Poetics.

Oh and personality is not a pattern of action. Although pretty much everything in life supports decision making in some way shape or form. When you say "how else can you judge someone"...I can think of many ways. Aristotle was an ultra rationalist that made a lot of logical errors in his thinking. Read Seneca instead, far more interesting and useful.

 

[magpie]

Outcomes matter. Intent also matters because a negative intent will over the long term tilt outcomes towards the negative. A positive intent the opposite. Sometimes people miss-characterize intent but it is rare that a well intentioned person will consistently hurt you. Have you ever been in a bad relationship or business arrangement? Peal it back far enough and you will find ill intentions underlying your woes .

I don't disagree necesarily that intention matter, since they do matter to a lot of people. But I completely disagree that negative intent tends to yield negative outcome and positive intent tends to yield positive outcome.

Oh and personality is not a pattern of action. Aristotle was an ultra rationalist that made a lot of logical errors in his thinking. Read Seneca instead, far more interesting and useful.

Aristotle's Poetics is used to teach actors how to glean information about character when reading plays. The idea is that you can't focus on what a character says or even thinks (about themselves or others), but on what they do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Through_line

 

[andresimon]

I don't disagree necesarily that intention matter, since they do matter to a lot of people. But I completely disagree that negative intent tends to yield negative outcome and positive intent tends to yield positive outcome.



Aristotle's Poetics is used to teach actors how to glean information about character when reading plays. The idea is that you can't focus on what a character says or even thinks (about themselves or others), but on what they do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Through_line

Got it so based on your thinking intentions don't impact outcomes. Or do they, just completely randomly? Intentions and outcomes show a 50/50 correlation, not measurable bias or impact?

lol...Your link/example of Through Line is an interesting one since you are making my point and thinking you are making your own point.

 

[Ribonuke]

You can expect it or not expect it. You can also make "points" but in this case your point was ABSURDLY false. More importantly, HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of ENFP's exist in the world. And yet, you characterized ALL of them as Evil. You didn't accidentally generalize, a forgivable offence since we humans make that mistake often, but you strait up asked and answered a question. "Does this mean all ENFP's" are evil?" You are a $#&& moron to say the least.

Here is some negative "TYPE" GENERALIZATIONS about your type. Most likely to be a psychopath. Most likely to be a sociopath. When I think of "EVIL" that's what I think of. Most likely to be a little on the "dumb" side when it comes to understanding conceptual concepts. Like MBTI LMAO. Big words hurt your brain much? It's ok you are "witty" and "practical" so who cares if you are a little on the dumb side. Right?

Get a clue.

If you're going to blow up at me and start swearing at me and resort to name-calling on account of me giving my opinion, which I stated outright in my disclaimer it was merely my opinion, albeit an opinion based primarily on my own experiences and on sociological/psychological research, then you are only proving my point.

SOURCE: Dominant-Tertiary Loops and Common Personality Disorders

Again, feel free to debate, but this is a forum, not a punching bag at the gym.

 

[andresimon]

If you're going to blow up at me and start swearing at me and resort to name-calling on account of me giving my opinion, which is based primarily on my own experiences AND on sociological/psychological research, even AFTER I gave my disclaimer, then you are only proving my point.

SOURCE: Dominant-Tertiary Loops and Common Personality Disorders

Again, feel free to debate, but this is a forum, not a punching bag at the gym.

LMAO. Ahhh ic so you classify "swearing" and "name-calling" as throwing a punch. But you characterizing an entire group of people that share similar cognitive patterns as "evil" is not considered a "punch" in your book. Ic, makes sense.

Also since you are the one making the comment, we know it is "your" opinion. No need to clarify that point. And we know it is based on your experiences, again no need to clarify that either. As far your "research" goes. I don't remember reading anywhere that ALL ENFP's are evil. A point you took the time to make. It's interesting how you view certain words so negatively but calling an entire group of people "evil" doesn't fit your criteria.

As far as "me" proving "your" point. Your point is not provable because it is an absurd notion. Worse it is not even remotely supported by cognition. Sounds to me like someone is a little bit hurt by an ENFP. lollll MAKES
SENSE!!!

It is of your opinion based on your solid research findings that ALL ENFP's ARE EVIL. Holy Molly, go publish your work. What are you waiting for.