Steampunk vs. Dieselpunk

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Steampunk or Dieselpunk. Which do you prefer? Why?

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

If it helps, here are good video game examples:

Fallout 3 is a good (post-apocalypse) version of a Dieselpunk future.

Bioshock is more Steampunk

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Steampunk vs. Dieselpunk: an Argument by Author Jason Sheehan | A Bag of Good Writing – a blog by Richard Ellis Preston, Jr.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Also, a humorous song about why something isn't necessarily steampunk just because it has some visible gears.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Never heard of this before, but I suppose I'm more diesepunk. Bolded are genres I like:

Although the term “dieselpunk” was not coined until 2001, a large body of art significant to the development of the genre was produced before that. Artwork (including visual arts, music, literature, and architecture) created in the dieselpunk style are heavily influenced by elements of the art movements most prevalent in Western culture during the diesel era such as:
Arts - Abstract Expressionism, Art Deco,Bauhaus, Raygun Gothic, Constructivism, Cubism, Dada, De Stijl (Neo-Plasticism), Futurism, International Style, Surrealism
Music - Blues, jazz, ragtime, cabaret, Big Band, swing, retro swing, and bluegrass
Literature - Symbolism, Stream of consciousness, Modernism, Pulp, Hardboiled Detective, and Noir

I'm a big fan of this:

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

I nearly made this poll Steampunk vs Dieselpunk vs Cyberpunk.

However, there seems to be more confusion about Dieselpunk and Steampunk, with many things falling into the latter category when they may in fact not belong.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I nearly made this poll Steampunk vs Dieselpunk vs Cyberpunk.

However, there seems to be more confusion about Dieselpunk and Steampunk, with many things falling into the latter category when they may in fact not belong.

I think it's more interesting leaving it between Steampunk and Dieselpunk. Cyberpunk kind of muddies the water a bit.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

I think it's more interesting leaving it between Steampunk and Dieselpunk. Cyberpunk kind of muddies the water a bit.

Agreed. It's "different" enough to not really merit comparison.

I think that I lean toward Dieselpunk on a purely aesthetic basis, while the ethos behind Steampunk is more appealing.

Steampunk seems to elevate/emphasize inventors and ingenuity while Dieselpunk is really more about mass production and the machine itself. Steampunk is pre-WWI, Dieselpunk is post-WWI. Edison (or Tesla) would be a steampunk role model. Henry Ford would be a Dieselpunk role model. Interestingly, Edison and Ford were close friends.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Agreed. It's "different" enough to not really merit comparison.

I think that I lean toward Dieselpunk on a purely aesthetic basis, while the ethos behind Steampunk is more appealing.

Steampunk seems to elevate/emphasize inventors and ingenuity while Dieselpunk is really more about mass production and the machine itself. Steampunk is pre-WWI, Dieselpunk is post-WWI. Edison (or Tesla) would be a steampunk role model. Henry Ford would be a Dieselpunk role model. Interestingly, Edison and Ford were close friends.

I'm not sure I agree. Steampunk seems to look more towards Britain, Dieselpunk seems to look more towards the New World. Star Wars seems pretty Dieselpunk. Technology is not good or bad in Star Wars; the issue is the people using it.

I'd say Einstein is a good Dieselpunk role model.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

I'm not sure I agree. Steampunk seems to look more towards Britain, Dieselpunk seems to look more towards the New World. Star Wars seems pretty Dieselpunk. Technology is not good or bad in Star Wars; the issue is the people using it.

I'd say Einstein is a good Dieselpunk role model.

Fair enough. The Dieselpunk aesthetic is even more apparent in the prequels, particularly in the design of the Naboo space ships. Also, the original Death Star battle is modeled after WWII fighter plane footage.

Although Return of the Jedi seems to at least hint at themes of soul and cooperation overcoming a soulless, overmechanized opponent. Ewoks with spears vs a vast war machine.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Fair enough. The Dieselpunk aesthetic is even more apparent in the prequels, particularly in the design of the Naboo space ships. Also, the original Death Star battle is modeled after WWII fighter plane footage.

Yeah. I liked the aesthetic of the prequels; I just wish the story had been better.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Yeah. I liked the aesthetic of the prequels; I just wish the story had been better.

True. I like how Amidala's ship in Episode II even sounds like an old prop-engine plane.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

True. I like how Amidala's ship in Episode II even sounds like an old prop-engine plane.

I think my favorite design is Cloud City, which was originally supposed to be the capital of the Empire. It's like an Art Deco spaceship.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

I think my favorite design is Cloud City, which was originally supposed to be the capital of the Empire.

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I think my favorite design is Cloud City, which was originally supposed to be the capital of the Empire. It's like an Art Deco spaceship.

I actually saw Empire first. I loved Cloud City as a child.

My favorite ship is the Tantive IV/blockade runner from the original.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I actually saw Empire first. I loved Cloud City as a child.

My favorite ship is the Tantive IV/blockade runner from the original.

I like the Mon Calamari (ha) cruisers from Jedi.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

I like the Mon Calamari (ha) cruisers from Jedi.

They're about as Dieselpunk as they come. They look like they could've been designed by 50's car companies.

I like how Rebel ship tend to be more rounded and smooth whereas the empire emphasized angular, pointy, and lots of "greebles"

Indiana Jones seems to contain tinges of dieselpunk as well. I like the flying wing from Raiders and the Nightclub from Temple. Also, the mish-mash tank from Crusade (that was not based on a real Nazi design, nor was the flying wing). George Lucas loves that shit, I suppose.

He also produced Tucker: The Man and His Dream.

Look at that shit:

edit: Lucas did not produce it.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

They're about as Dieselpunk as they come. They look like they could've been designed by 50's car companies.

I like how Rebel ship tend to be more rounded and smooth whereas the empire emphasized angular, pointy, and lots of "greebles"

It's a neat optical illusion. Which one of these looks bigger?

Indiana Jones seems to contain tinges of dieselpunk as well. I like the flying wing from Raiders and the Nightclub from Temple. Also, the mish-mash tank from Crusade (that was not based on a real Nazi design, nor was the flying wing). George Lucas loves that shit, I suppose.

Lucas is all about those 30s and 40s serials. Both Star Wars and Indiana Jones were inspired by those. They're cheesy as hell today, and sometimes even cringeworthy, but evidently there was something he wanted to replicate.

He also produced Tucker: The Man and His Dream.

Look at that shit:

edit: Lucas did not produce it.

He executive produced it, to help out his friend, Francis Ford Coppola.

Finally, remember in the original movie, Luke had to switch off his targeting computer to destroy the Death Star. He also had help from his friend.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

It's a neat optical illusion. Which one of these looks bigger?

Lucas is all about those 30s and 40s serials. Both Star Wars and Indiana Jones were inspired by those. They're cheesy as hell today, and sometimes even cringeworthy, but evidently there was something he wanted to replicate.



He executive produced it, to help out his friend, Francis Ford Coppola.

Finally, remember in the original movie, Luke had to switch off his targeting computer to destroy the Death Star. He also had help from his friend.

Porkins?

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Porkins?

Porkins couldn't hold it.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Porkins couldn't hold it.