Cooperation: Islam and Christianity

[Mustafa]

We have freedom of religion. This means we can choose our religion or no religion. It also means we have the separation of religion and the State. And it means religion is a private matter, not a public matter.

But Islam does not believe in the separation of religion and the State, and does not believe in keeping religion private.

Almost right. If there is "life" there is "islam" for it. Because life is chaos. And your liberals attempts of solving this has led to disasters. THerefore you are hung up on: "you put down your gun and I will put down my gun". But noone will put down their gun. We need divine intervention.

 

[Mole]

Totalitarianism and Liberal Democracy

Almost right. If there is "life" there is "islam" for it. Because life is chaos. And your liberals attempts of solving this has led to disasters. THerefore you are hung up on: "you put down your gun and I will put down my gun". But noone will put down their gun. We need divine intervention.

It took many hundreds of years to develop liberal democracy, but it has stood the test of time and is the most successful political system.

Islam by contrast is not only a religion but is also a political system. It is a political system based on jihad and discrimination and we only have to look around the world to see that Islam is a complete failure as a political system.

And being a complete failure as a political system, Islam can do nothing else but call upon divine intervention.

Liberal democracy has defeated two political systems: National Socialism and International Communism. Both are totalitarian and looked impregnable at the height of their power. Islam is also totalitarian political system, that like all totalitarian systems, seeks to terrorise liberal democracy. We have seen it all before and we keep calm and carry on.

 

[Mustafa]

It took many hundreds of years to develop liberal democracy, but it has stood the test of time and is the most successful political system.

Islam by contrast is not only a religion but is also a political system. It is a political system based on jihad and discrimination and we only have to look around the world to see that Islam is a complete failure as a political system.

And being a complete failure as a political system, Islam can do nothing else but call upon divine intervention.

Liberal democracy has defeated two political systems: National Socialism and International Communism. Both are totalitarian and looked impregnable at the height of their power. Islam is also totalitarian political system, that like all totalitarian systems, seeks to terrorise liberal democracy. We have seen it all before and we keep calm and carry on.

I think socialism and communism is the same. And regarding what you said, you carry on. That is why we need Christians to join the party. What do you think holds back the pope from declearing an allianse with muslims. You'd be screwed. In fact God is holding EVERYTHING together. And believer learn to hold back, and not terrorize. If Allah wanted you dont know how much pain you would be in. But that is not our wish. I have already said, before now here, that Allah, if he wanted he could make everyone submit willingly or not in an instant if he wanted. He just gives your choise. You chose to hide behind the law that is supposed to provide for your sustenance so you can chose the right path. Instead of using it to find and chose the right path.

 

[Mole]

The Open Threat

If Allah wanted, you dont know how much pain you would be in.

This is a typical threat made by Islam against those who practise common decency and are successful.

This is an open threat made publicly across the globe to innocent members of Typology Central.

This is an open threat backed up by Islamic terrorism across the globe.

 

[Mustafa]

One of Allahs names is the Vengful. There is nothing you can do about that. If Allah showed himself upon and to a mountain (symbol for strength and stability i think) it would shatter from fear of Allah, according to the Quran. Even the devil Lucifer (Iblis) is afraid of Allah, according to the Quran. There is nothing you can do about that.

I can chose to live my life with sin and satisfaction, but I'd risk Gods punishment. Probably eternal punishment. If it is real.

I was in the hospital and under compulsion, they meant I was crazy or needed discipline. I told them you will burn in Allahs hell you and your families. Because you are all siinners. I was angry. .... Later they told me that I threatned them and their families, I said first .... No... Thats not what I said. ....But anyway, so what. God will burn you. Are you afraid? They had to pull back.

You coward. Give up control as you wish. But giving up satisfaction is not as you wish.

 

[Mole]

I told them you will burn in Allahs hell you and your families. Because you are all siinners. I was angry. .... Later they told me that I threatned them and their families

So you have form.

 

[Cowardly]

By contrast, Christianity accepts and practises the separation of religion and the State.

Officially...

And Christians practise common decency an keep their religion private.

No they don't. One of the things I was told the most in Church was to spread the word.

I can't say either that most Christians don't like to evangelize or that they do like to evangelize, I'd need numbers for that, but the Church certainly encourages it.

I think of non-violent proselytism as neither a bad nor a good thing.

Because like in RPG games, role playing games, the boss always comes in the end. First you have to fight his minions. And I believe in hirearchy strating from Allah, the lord of the worlds, and not in equality which is another solution for the same problem, there is equality between believers.

I still don't see how that's linked to JFK.

And Sunnies and Maybe Shia says that we are one body. I don't always pray, but when I pray I pray for all muslims. Not terrorists.

That's good.

You chose to hide behind the law that is supposed to provide for your sustenance so you can chose the right path. Instead of using it to find and chose the right path.

What do you mean by that part?

This is a typical threat made by Islam against those who practise common decency and are successful.
This is an open threat made publicly across the globe to innocent members of Typology Central.
This is an open threat backed up by Islamic terrorism across the globe.

Doesn't seem like a threat.

 

[Mole]

Officially...


No they don't. One of the things I was told the most in Church was to spread the word.

I can't say either that most Christians don't like to evangelize or that they do like to evangelize, I'd need numbers for that, but the Church certainly encourages it.

I consider non-violent proselytism as neither a bad nor a good thing.

Under the separation of church and State and the practice of keeping religion private, evangelization and proselytism are normal and acceptable parts of religion.

It's a shame you don't understand the separation of church and State as it forms the bedrock of liberal democracy. And that is why Islam does not accept the separation of mosque and State, because it does not accept liberal democracy.

 

[Mole]

Doesn't seem like a threat.

If he continues to make such threats in a liberal democracy, he can expect a visit from the police.

 

[Cowardly]

Under the separation of church and State and the practice of keeping religion private, evangelization and proselytism are normal and acceptable parts of religion.

I don't mind proselytism. As I said, I don't think of it as either good or bad.

But I can't understand how proselytism isn't not keeping religion private.

It's a shame you don't understand the separation of church and State as it forms the bedrock of liberal democracy. And that is why Islam does not accept the separation of mosque and State, because it does not accept liberal democracy.

I understand the separation of church and State, and I absolutely support it. I just don't think it's practiced as it should be. Hence the officially.

If he continues to make such threats in a liberal democracy, he can expect a visit from the police.

How was that a threat in the first place?

 

[Mustafa]

I still don't see how that's linked to JFK.

What do you mean by that part?

There is one song from from Nickleback which says; "nobody want to be the last one there, everyone want to feel that someone cares". So you got nobody (AKA master and Allah) and everyone (slaves or to put it in more beautiful words adherents). I believe Allah is the ultimate reality, which there is nothing beyond. Also openess to new possibilities (both J and P) as Allah says in the Quran praise your "highest" Lord. So what is highest as openess advances? I believe even if homo sapiens will evolve we will still ALL be muslims.

JFK is like our human connection between God and humans. And he is a just leader. Like Imam Ali whom led two continents in his time. And he was just.

By the law and finding the straight path. You can see in this in the Qurans first (short) chapter. Called the Opening.

It is You we worship and You we ask for help
Guide us to the straight path -
The path of those upon whom You have bestowed favor (straight path with believer on top and "snakes" amongst them, not of those who have evoked [Your] anger (politically extreme right) or of those who are astray (politicallty extreme left).

 

[Mustafa]

So you got one book which is called Iqtisaduna (check it on wiki if you want). It is being educated in the west. It says there is the way of God, those whom he blessed are on it, the middle straight path. The right and left are results of human creation and systems that ... Were. He proposes Gods path for better economy. Check wiki for more precise information about this book, iqtisaduna. It is being educated all over the modern world from a muslim scholar, a prominent one.

 

[Cowardly]

There is one song from from Nickleback which says; "nobody want to be the last one there, everyone want to feel that someone cares". So you got nobody (AKA master and Allah) and everyone (slaves or to put it in more beautiful words adherents). I believe Allah is the ultimate reality, which there is nothing beyond. Also openess to new possibilities (both J and P) as Allah says in the Quran praise your "highest" Lord. So what is highest as openess advances? I believe even if homo sapiens will evolve we will still ALL be muslims.

Do you mean muslims literally or in a more abstract way?

JFK is like our human connection between God and humans. And he is a just leader. Like Imam Ali whom led two continents in his time. And he was just.

So you meant that if everyone believed in Allah then a just leader wouldn't be killed?

By the law and finding the straight path. You can see in this in the Qurans first (short) chapter. Called the Opening.

It is You we worship and You we ask for help
Guide us to the straight path -
The path of those upon whom You have bestowed favor (straight path with believer on top and "snakes" amongst them, not of those who have evoked [Your] anger (politically extreme right) or of those who are astray (politicallty extreme left).

I still don't understand what you meant by "choose to hide behind the law".

 

[ZNP-TBA]

Hey
But there was a female Christian leader who entered with her audience to learn and such about Islam without veil. So we have high tolerance.

There might be exceptions but show me where this is actually commonplace. I don't think the forward-thinking Muslims are a majority anywhere.

And islam is quite powerful, really, because our men are real men and we just don't see them because of inernational barriers and sanctions.

Islam is powerful and dangerous, I'll give you that. Not enough leaders and movements in the West recognize this.

Allah says, aswel as my Imam, that we and the Christians should find to a "common word" between us so we can unite. Because we have alot more much more in common that we don't. God is one. And just being a monotheist is enough.

Not really. To any Christian worth their salt the divinity of Christ (especially the Resurrection) is everything. The Muslim version of Jesus is just a prophet somewhat lower in status than Mohammed. Anything less than the Son of God for Jesus is unfathomable to Christians.

I think that the higher powers wants us to unite, uner one heaven, but we humans are so racist and occupied with war and money and war that we can't see all the things we have in common and so we can find a solution to what we don't agree about. We humans. Instead we look at our differences and media doesn't help and forget all our commonalities. But the Gods (Allah) wants us to unite under one heaven. Anyone seen the Chinese movie "Hero" about the warrior "Nameless". It was about that.

Just thoughts.

Yeah but you're basically asking Christians to let go of tenants of their faith, important ones, to 'unite' with Muslims without requesting the same of Muslims such as accepting Jesus Christ is the Son in the trinity of God.

Most Christians you wont convert by the sword and the words a laughable. If you're really concerned about Christians then I'd consider focusing your concern at the genocide of Christians ( and non-Muslims in general, especially atheists) in the Middle East where Islam is the dominant religion.

Islam's greatest ally in the West is probably the Political Left, not most Christians. The political Left tend to have more of vitriolic hatred of Christianity and Right-inclined people that disagree with them (yay diversity!) than being more critical of Islam. Some even sympathize with Islam because of the anti-Western sentiment.

 

[Cowardly]

Islam's greatest ally in the West is probably the Political Left, not most Christians. The political Left tend to have more of vitriolic hatred of Christianity and Right-inclined people that disagree with them (yay diversity!) than being more critical of Islam. Some even sympathize with Islam because of the anti-Western sentiment.

The Left is more complex than that. Much like the Right. I would use some of those statements to describe SJWs only.

Honestly, SJWs are truly hated by many leftists.

 

[ZNP-TBA]

The Left is more complex than that. Much like the Right. I would use some of those statements to describe SJWs only.

Honestly, SJWs are truly hated by many leftists.

SJWs for sure. That's fair.

 

[Mustafa]

Do you mean muslims literally or in a more abstract way?


So you meant that if everyone believed in Allah then a just leader wouldn't be killed?


I still don't understand what you meant by "choose to hide behind the law".

I mean muslims litterally. But if we all become muslims, then nothing is left undone. I believe then we will enter heaven and be free from all bonds. I'd like to still keep one things sacred still, monotheist. Monotheist is the one sin in Islam which Allah does not EVER forgive if you break.

Yes. Islam means peace. Also submission. They are connected. Noone would get killed if we All believed in one God. Allah (AKA Yahweh).

I was angry when I said hide behind the law. But it doesn't make it not true.

 

[Cowardly]

Monotheist is the one sin in Islam which Allah does not EVER forgive if you break.

Why?

I was angry when I said hide behind the law. But it doesn't make it not true.

But what did you mean by it? How would they be hiding behind the law?

 

[Mustafa]

@ZombiePirateNinja

I like Christians anyway. The Quran tells us that they are the closest to us muslims. Closer than Jews although Jews for example don't eat swine. Like us. And that we should tell the good Christians (I belive rational and can understand, then can be feelers too) good things. And I believe that bad Christians whom are "stuck" and wants to pick a fight, bad things. Or we'll see.

And Jesus is not the son of God. In the Bible, the prophet Adam is described as son of God too. Catholics doesn't believe that Jesus is son of God. Allah says that the closes to him are those whom guards against evil, I believe that Christians guard themselves through creating many sects. They should fill the earth. I belive muslims are like brain cells and Christians are like body cells, and others are like cancer and we are in the healing process.

 

[Cowardly]

Catholics doesn't believe that Jesus is son of God.

They do, actually.