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    Default A world without sin

    We live in a world without sin, that's not to say that no one is wicked, evil or bad but that there's no popular or consensus conceptualisation of anything like sin.

    So, do you think this is good or bad or neither?
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    Good.

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    I think this has been conceptualized before in science fiction. People don't sin, aren't bad.. just maladjusted and need to be corrected to integrate into society. Roll out the shock treatment and conditioning.

    So, could be bad.

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    I think we do have a reasonably existent popular or consensus belief of what sin is.

    It's more about whether or not we believe that "sinning" matters, and whether our concepts of sin become less black and white, and develop some shades of grey, as we get older and mature.

    For most of us, as we get older, what would generally be considered lesser forms of sin (fornication, visiting strip clubs, getting drunk/high/etc.) tend to become less problematic in our minds.

    Worse forms of sin (murder, stealing, adultery, lying) tend to maintain their status as serious offenses, regardless of our age.
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    well... first off we'd have to seperate the concept of sin and social mores... oftentimes the "sins" have been adapted into the social mores of the culture as things you just don't do... and many sins are considered sins when they were adapted by religions as forbidden things because they were against the social mores of the times... religious rules were origionally considered the rules of social necessity- religion being an explanation of WHY the world is as it is and why we do things- every society ended up with some form of religion to explain science and social sciences

    secondly- would there still be laws against stuff like murdering people and stealing stuff or would those be a free for all in this new society as well? There is a difference between legal and moral, though oftentimes morals were taken into account when the laws were written

    thirdly- how nitpicky of sins are we getting into here? are we going to things like the old testament books where it's a sin to eat a lobster or things of that sort?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    We live in a world without sin, that's not to say that no one is wicked, evil or bad but that there's no popular or consensus conceptualisation of anything like sin.

    So, do you think this is good or bad or neither?

    Can Somalia fit in this world? Or should we exclude them and throw'em off the world? They do have kids with machine guns...

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    Sin makes the world go round.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Queen Kat View Post
    Sin makes the world go round.
    I never understood that phrase.

    "Money" makes the world go 'round. "Sin" makes the world go 'round. "Love" makes the world go 'round. If the metaphor's supposed to hint at the true nature of humans, then why mention just one thing? Human drama, love, suffering, joy as well as the systems in which these states operate (financial, cultural, etc.) and everything else we know as beings should also be included, shouldn't it? Nothing exists in a vaccuum.

    ...

    Alright so what is this thread about?

    /shameless derail

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queen Kat View Post
    Sin makes the world go round.
    Quote Originally Posted by neptunesnet View Post
    "Money" makes the world go 'round. "Sin" makes the world go 'round. "Love" makes the world go 'round. If the metaphor's supposed to hint at the true nature of humans, then why mention just one thing? Human drama, love, suffering, joy as well as the systems in which these states operate (financial, cultural, etc.) and everything else we know as beings should also be included, shouldn't it? Nothing exists in a vaccuum.
    *ahem* .. Pardon me, but I think you've both been misinformed. According to the great western philosopher Ice Cube, it is gangstas that make the world go 'round.

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    No you got it all wrong.
    Turtles make the world go round. Just look at how cute they are.

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