Zarathustra
Let Go Of Your Team
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If there's one function I really don't like, it's Fe.
For fair disclosure: my mother is an ESFJ, and I actually have a really good relationship with her, and my girlfriend's mother is an ESFJ, and I have a pretty good relationship with her, but there's something about Fe that I just find deplorable.
The users can be so shallow (look at Frasier, a characteristic ENFJ); he cares so much about what others think.
As an Fi user, and as one of my Fi values, I value not giving a damn what others think -- in fact, I believe this is very close to the definition of authenticity -- and, yes, I do understand that this is all typological bias, so I'm not sure how bringing this point up is going to add any value to this thread (inevitably, it is going to happen, though).
I also want to mention that I love and appreciate many Fe-users that I know, including many on this forum, and that every function has its positives and its negatives. For me, though, Fe's negatives represent some of the most deplorable aspects of normal human psychology: neediness, collectivism, etc.
And yes, I understand that there are worse aspects to humanity than these, but [Godwin alert], let us remember, that Hitler was an Fe dom or aux...
So, anyway, with last night's induction of several new members (Scottie Pippen and Karl Malone, most notably) into the NBA Hall of Fame, it reminded me about last year's HOF induction ceremony, in which one of my childhood heroes, Michael Jordan (wasn't he the hero of almost every young boy at that time?), was inducted into the Hall, and gave the amazing speech that I've posted below.
Now, here's my angle: in the post below, I've included an article from Rick Reilly, a writer for ESPN who, along with Bill Simmons, "the Sports Guy" (whom I love, and who is probably an Fe-tert), appears on the front page of ESPN.com everyday.
After reading Mr. Reilly's article about Michael Jordan's speech last year, I was enraged by how inaccurate his perception of the speech was, and I surmise that he is almost certainly an Fe dom, maybe an Fe aux. After reading several other articles he's written over the last year, I find them all similarly deplorable: so sappy, so needy, so lacking of that vigorous, independent, self-reliant spirit that I so clearly prefer.
So, what I ask of you, my reader (and, trust me, I'm surprised and appreciative that you've actually read this far) is that you first read the following article, soak it in for the picture it paints of the speech that Jordan gave one year ago, and let it sit with you for a moment, before you turn to the actual speech.
Then, watch the videos of the speech below, and let me know what you think.
How accurate do you think Mr. Reilly's depiction of the speech was? If accurate, how so? If inaccurate, how so, why, and, more to the point of this thread, how disgusting and pathetic does it make the Fe function look?
Thanks,
Z
For fair disclosure: my mother is an ESFJ, and I actually have a really good relationship with her, and my girlfriend's mother is an ESFJ, and I have a pretty good relationship with her, but there's something about Fe that I just find deplorable.
The users can be so shallow (look at Frasier, a characteristic ENFJ); he cares so much about what others think.
As an Fi user, and as one of my Fi values, I value not giving a damn what others think -- in fact, I believe this is very close to the definition of authenticity -- and, yes, I do understand that this is all typological bias, so I'm not sure how bringing this point up is going to add any value to this thread (inevitably, it is going to happen, though).
I also want to mention that I love and appreciate many Fe-users that I know, including many on this forum, and that every function has its positives and its negatives. For me, though, Fe's negatives represent some of the most deplorable aspects of normal human psychology: neediness, collectivism, etc.
And yes, I understand that there are worse aspects to humanity than these, but [Godwin alert], let us remember, that Hitler was an Fe dom or aux...
So, anyway, with last night's induction of several new members (Scottie Pippen and Karl Malone, most notably) into the NBA Hall of Fame, it reminded me about last year's HOF induction ceremony, in which one of my childhood heroes, Michael Jordan (wasn't he the hero of almost every young boy at that time?), was inducted into the Hall, and gave the amazing speech that I've posted below.
Now, here's my angle: in the post below, I've included an article from Rick Reilly, a writer for ESPN who, along with Bill Simmons, "the Sports Guy" (whom I love, and who is probably an Fe-tert), appears on the front page of ESPN.com everyday.
After reading Mr. Reilly's article about Michael Jordan's speech last year, I was enraged by how inaccurate his perception of the speech was, and I surmise that he is almost certainly an Fe dom, maybe an Fe aux. After reading several other articles he's written over the last year, I find them all similarly deplorable: so sappy, so needy, so lacking of that vigorous, independent, self-reliant spirit that I so clearly prefer.
So, what I ask of you, my reader (and, trust me, I'm surprised and appreciative that you've actually read this far) is that you first read the following article, soak it in for the picture it paints of the speech that Jordan gave one year ago, and let it sit with you for a moment, before you turn to the actual speech.
Then, watch the videos of the speech below, and let me know what you think.
How accurate do you think Mr. Reilly's depiction of the speech was? If accurate, how so? If inaccurate, how so, why, and, more to the point of this thread, how disgusting and pathetic does it make the Fe function look?
Thanks,
Z