Natrushka
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- INTJ
I always thought that was because the are...
You're trying to earn brownie points, aren't you?
I always thought that was because the are...
Well, the observations are descriptive and corroborated by two subjects, one of whom you know quite well. They are helpful.Other than that what I look for is strong Ni in a feeler. I think this can look like jumping to wild conclusions, or being able to read someone very effectively. INFJ's also seem to absorb emotions from people. They feel the same things that people close to them feel. Other than that I don't know what I can tell you. I've only known 2 INFJ's so I'm not really sure how strong my patterns are from just the two.
Yes, you need to be less bumptious and more solitarily contemplative.I wonder if my writing gives away my type... erm... it's very ESFJ, I think (I mean "feel"!)
I wonder if my writing gives away my type... erm... it's very ESFJ, I think (I mean "feel"!)
i have no complaints about this INTJ description. nice job!
I don't think there are any easy shortcuts. Read the literature that you can (with a grain of salt); I think some of it is wrong - especially the treatment of ISTPs, INFPs and a few others.
The best approach for me was having a model of actual people (that you know well) for each type and use them as a sort of blueprint. Obviously, there are going to be individual traits they might posses or not posses to varying degrees but keeping that in mind, I found that the most helpful.
Before I learned about MBTI, I instictually saw reoccuring patterns with people I met. I would be instantly reminded of other people I knew; when they have similar philosophies on life, sense of humor, and what standards they set for themselves in how they achieve their self esteem. Another one is how they handle stress or adversity - do they sulk, lash out immediately, or make a wisecrack and laugh it off, etc.
Body language, which isn't mentioned often (which Neidnagel did a lot of work on - who is another ISTJ, incidentally) is very helpful. Certain types have similar movements and gestures.
I do not think it is exclusively extroverted to compare people to a template. Essentially I've done the same thing.
Usually when I meet someone, I analyze after the fact to confirm. (And sometimes I get frustrated trying to rebuild a case here, to justify a reading. Because I didn't analyze to figure it out the first time, I just "saw" it.)
Anyway, I get a very strong "Big Picture" impression from them in the first few seconds/minutes, and it is partially based on how they resonate with the templates in my internalized "type database."
I am not sure how well body language works; but I've seen some behaviors that I would attribute to ISFJ-style relating (the internal tug of war between letting someone in and not yet totally trusting the person), and I've also recognized what I would consider to be the ESFP smile.
I guess what I'm saying is I don't try and fit people into my internal template, I just try to see how many cumulative behaviors they have add up to a specific type. When I start looking for certain type traits, it tends to happen to the exclusion of other traits that may indicate another type. If I get the impression that this person "seems" like an ESTP then I start looking for more evidence to support my general impression, which is hit or miss sometimes.
>_o ...you mean INFPs included?
Well, yes, but most of the other types tend to try to hide it a little better. Or maybe like Usehername says, they hide it too, but if you are close to them or pretty good at reading people you can see it. I don't know. My daughter's teachers don't seem to pick up on the surrounded by idiots thing, but I've noticed it since she was old enough to roll her eyes.
You're trying to earn brownie points, aren't you?
I think we will find that N's are less social even when extraverted, because part of being social is conformity -- an S trait. An N's individualistic views are better described as anti-social.
Interesting, how can you guys spot an ENFj?
I disagree completely with this definition.
ENTJ telltale: quick walking, sexual jokes.
Am I the only one who that divides up personalities into sub factors and measures each trait? It seems like most generalise to a particular type, or some hybird of the two, with the emphasis on finding a "type".
(ie: I measure I/E, T/F, N/S, J/P by observing actions and adding ticks next to each side, then combine them into a sub-trait scores, which when strong enough, indicates an overall trait (ie: I+/E- score))
There is a difference between anti-social, and not likeng socialization.
I never make sexual jokes, and I am in fact highly annoyed by them because they are a sign of severe unsophistication.
Sexual jokes are more a telltale sign of ESTPs and ESFPs.