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This thread gives me hope. I appreciate its creation.
i think we feel insecure around thinker types more so than with feeler types. other feeler types would probably see a more serious side of us more often than thinker types. if you'd like to see us more serious and/or intellectual, you have to set the comfortable atmosphere around us first so that we feel less insecure about what we have to say.
i think we feel insecure around thinker types more so than with feeler types. other feeler types would probably see a more serious side of us more often than thinker types. if you'd like to see us more serious and/or intellectual, you have to set the comfortable atmosphere around us first so that we feel less insecure about what we have to say.
Yeah, I think a lot of the times more serious intellectual types come across like they have a stick up their ass, not necessarily intp but the serious intellectual type . It doesn't make for a fun conversational platform.
I've been around thinker types my whole life (both Ti and Te). My immediate family are all that way, quite a few friends.. hell even a lot places I've dropped by on the internet. I don't think twice about airing my opinions or whatnot or trying to converse with even hardcore INTP or INTJ-like programmers. I understand them to a point and know that I have been engaging to them with my own thoughts as well. I don't present or write the same way, but I have enough "serious opinions" to work with to be respected enough to communicate at least. I've got nothing to lose and nobody is a threat to me. I could be a T myself, but I've always been on the more sensitive side compared to my family.. both my brother and mother are very stoic types, my dad militaristic and structured. If I am a T, I don't come off as a stereotypical one. What I don't understand is why Fi would make such a drastic difference in assertiveness. Almost every MBTI type gets described with some of level of assertiveness, except ISFPs. It kind of bums me out. Even INFPs have their idealism to fuel them. While ISFPs are supposedly twiddling their thumbs, afraid and never serious about anything. :\
I've been around thinker types my whole life (both Ti and Te). My immediate family are all that way, quite a few friends.. hell even a lot places I've dropped by on the internet. I don't think twice about airing my opinions or whatnot or trying to converse with even hardcore INTP or INTJ-like programmers. I understand them to a point and know that I have been engaging to them with my own thoughts as well. I don't present or write the same way, but I have enough "serious opinions" to be respected enough to communicate at least. That would be umm.. kind of tragic if ISFPs had to be afraid of speaking around T types. Nobody is out to get anyone, for the most part. I could be a T myself, but I've always been on the more sensitive side compared to my family.. both my brother and mother are very stoic types, my dad militaristic and structured. If I am a T, I don't come off as a stereotypical one. I'm trying to hold on to saying I'm ISFP, even though it's hard to fit with what's supposedly expected of me.
Well if you are an F, you certainly seem to have a well developed thinking side. It's funny though, I do think that my SO and friend do sometimes have difficulty expressing their opinions, but I don't view them as doormats or anything. I view them as non-combative and sensitive, but they have they're thresholds and if you push either to their limit they will either erupt or simply walk away never to be seen again. They are both very independent as well and can become stubborn as goats when they feel overly controlled. Just my personal observations...
As for F making a difference in assertiveness, doesn't F generally try to not offend people? It wants things to go smoothly between people. It doesn't want to step on people's toes. It would rather be diplomatic than abrupt. Whereas, T wants to speak the truth, whether it hurts people's feelings or not. If they can't handle the truth, then that's their problem, basically. These are very general statements and I'm sure someone will say, "Nuh uh, I'm an F and I don't care one bit about people's feelings." But, in a very general sense, I think this holds true.
Yeah, I would agree with that. Many F's aren't trying to offend anyone, for the most part.
I think assertiveness is another issue (which may not have anything to do with offending people). Everyone should have a little room to grow there in themselves. I don't think it's realistic that an entire type would have shy behavior. If I were to use the cognitive test questions, Se and Fi technically would keep an ISFP assertive enough. Where N types motivate themselves through random/interconnected possibilities, SPs are opportunistic in a more direct manner.
Se:
Freely follow your gut instincts and exciting physical impulses as they come up.
Enjoy the thrill of action and physical experience in the present moment.
Quickly move to take advantage of immediate options for action.
Instantly read visible cues to see just how far you can go.
Spur action and pull off results simply by making your presence felt.
Fi:
Feel strongly that something is good or bad.
Remain in touch with what you want for yourself, what motivates you, and what is good.
Freely enjoy doing what you want for your own personal happiness.
Always remain true to what you want for yourself or others.
Evaluate what is worth believing in and most important to who you really are inside.
If someone scored even moderately on any of these, I don't see how they could be too docile or not stand for something, if necessary.
Her only vice is her fear of displeasing me, which I fear will be exploited by potential jerky future partners.
She's too selfless. If she senses any sign of annoyance, she's very quick to apologise.