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INFJs' Fi (personal (internal) preferences and values that hold dear to their self) is quite small in volume than that of a Fi-dom or aux...
My understanding of how functions work differ a bit from what Dr.Mike says... A bit contrary to what Dr Mike says, INFJs receive external information mainly thru Fe and Se... and then analyze that information thru Ni and Ti... So the extraverted functions are inlets and outlets (filters) of incoming and outgoing information...and internal functions are how we make sense of that internalized information...
So INFJ scans the environment for how people are feeling, they are focusing more on how others feel rather than their own feelings... This is infact a representation of INFJs codependent nature, which compels them to focus more on others' needs thru their (the latter's) emotional status\distress (Fe = others' Fi) rather than their own (self Fi)...which is represented in MBTI by Fi<Fe...
Once that information is internalized, INFJs analyze it thru their Ni and Ti so as to understand it from an unemotional (depersonalized, detached) point of view and send back a proper response mostly thru their Fe... So whatever INFJs say back in return will be filtered out or modified by Fe... i.e. giving back to the other a socially or individually proper response...
So when interacting with others, INFJs are concentrating on not offending the other person and somehow alleviating the other person's distress (defusing the other person)...
IxFPs OTOH will be internalizing information thru their Se (body language) or Ne (potential meanings?), and analyzing it mostly thru their Fi, i.e. how that incoming information sits with their internal preferences and values, i.e. their "self identity", based on the emotions that information arouses in them, i.e. how that information makes them feel...
And then based on the emotion aroused they'll respond negatively or positively back in a way that is flavored thru their secondary function, Se or Ne... If it is something that hurts their "self" i.e. Fi, they'll either use negative body language (Se, frown, anger etc.) or use Ne to tell to the other how what they proposed might not be so... so as to convince both the other person and themselves that what they suggested is not "true", even though it actually may be... this is done to prevent the ego from getting hurt...
So, INFJs will express (filter) their thoughts in a way that will not offend the other individual... in a way that the other person can stomach...
Whereas Fi dom or aux will filter and express out their emotions (how they feel) thru Ne or Se... Edit: I think this gives them an ability to become good artists...
As Dr.Mike says in the video, INFJs are doing the analyzing thing from an abstract\impersonal view point i.e., thru Ne Ni, whereas xxFPs do that from a personal view point...so the girl in the video tells about how she also "feels" how other people around are feeling... INFJs OTOH understand what the other person may be feeling as a "cause and effect reasoning kinda thought" not something they feel inside themselves (unless it is something they've also felt before or sensitive about, i.e. something in the Fi reservoir, which is quite smaller in scale in comparison to that of xxFPs...)
She seems more expressive than others, perhaps she's an extravert but I still think she's an xxFP...
No, I think it's the other way around, I think enneagram 4s (and perhaps 3s) have a high likelihood of (mis)identifying with the INFJ type...
I see that I never responded to you after you wrote a lengthy description....maybe I didn't get notified? Either way...
I don't necessarily think there's a problem with what you described as the process in which the INFJ receives and provides information and all that jazz you wrote about Fe +Se, or Ni + Ti. But I do not believe that they use Fi.
Also, I am still not exactly sure what specific behaviors you see that make you type someone a certain way. At this point, I don't think it matters either. I can agree to disagree on that cause it's a matter of perception...which is subjective.
But in the chart I linked previously, it clearly shows that 4's are Most Commonly INFJ's and INFP's. And it also shows that 4's, are Less Commonly, but still typed as ISFP's and ENFP's. The rest of the chart shows Least Common for all other MBTI types. So do you not think that is correct?
Take a look at this: Enneagram and MBTI Combined - Renee Baron
I think this clearly shows how some of the functions can correlate with each enneatype.
From that very same book in which I linked you (Which I own) it says on pgs starting at 141-149, what each enneatype tends to lean towards.
One's -predominantly Judging
Two's - prominent feature is Feeling. They also tend toward Extroversion.
Three's - tend toward Extroversion and Judging
Four's - predominant features are Introversion and Feeling
Five's - predominant features are Introversion and Thinking
Six's - correlate with every MBTI type
Seven's tend toward Extroversion and Perceiving
Eights's tend toward Extroversion and Thinking
Nine's tend toward Introversion and Perceiving
Going by any of this...why wouldn't 4's identify as IXFX's?