kyuuei
Emperor/Dictator
- Joined
- Aug 28, 2008
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- MBTI Type
- enfp
- Enneagram
- 8
I feel like 1s tend to have more latent anger than 8s. I've never felt the word "anger" was the right word for what goes on with 8s, especially because it's not a continuous state. I've always thought of it more of like "access to violence". Like in a very real way, 8s are always aware of power because violence is always a potential for us. It's funny saying this right after saying that I've never thought about killing someone in another thread (which is true). There's a quote that was on a enneagram site's e8 page about LBJ that I think really captures this:
I take for granted that awareness in my interactions with people. It's not so much "what would it feel like to mutilate this person", but what points would need to be pressed and with what kind of force in order to bring them to their knees.
1s channel that energy in a different way. Their orientation is idealistic or at least has some sense of normative vision around it. I think the gut energy for 1s is about shifting circumstances towards that vision. I don't need for everyone else to fall in line with what makes me happy, because they're not my concern. 1s have to keep track because it disrupts the vision if someone falls out of line.
Perhaps it's the difference between the army and the police? You deploy an army if you have something specific to accomplish strategically. They may train and do other stuff in the interim, but they're not constantly fighting. Police exist to keep order, so they have to be constantly aware of violations to that order.
This goes back to the analogy that I made earlier. 8s "mobilize" and "demobilize" pretty rapidly. Once the issue's handled and we've said what we've needed to say, then we can go back to whatever we were doing before.
It's even more marked for me as an 8 and a Te-dom simply because (to paraphrase Tony Zhou) Te is all about what is in the frame and what is not in the frame. The territorial instincts of an 8 when combined with the focus of extraverted thinking make it very clear what our priorities are. We are pretty much oblivious to anything that's not within that circle. It would be interesting to hear if that resonates with kyuuei and ceecee as they're intuitive dominants.
Ohhh Yes. Definitely. Don't get me wrong.. If someone is way too batty for me, I cut them out of my life.. usually even people I cut out can eventually get to be on civil terms with me if they show they're capable of it, but they never are under my umbrella again. I just stop caring about them. I don't have many enemies because I don't keep those guys around--sometimes to the detriment of the group around me. XD It's pretty inconvenient to hang onto old anger.. there's so many new and exciting things to be angry at! No need to still be all hung up about someone being a jerk yesterday. That's Sooo.. yesterday.