Arclight
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because being an expert doesn't make you right.
this is one of those posts - and no offense, arclight, you know i like you and i appreciate your ideas - but this is a post that makes me Feel like it's a problem to discuss Fi anywhere. the feeling is "why can't we just talk about Fi in this thread without someone coming in and telling us we're wrong and should stop?" right now it seems like what you're implying is pretty much "just stop talking because i don't like your ideas (because they don't agree with an authority [who i have personally decided is correct])."
the way i see things, if you have a problem with what elfboy's saying (i do too, actually), then you should show why his ideas are creating a problem. right now it just seems like you're saying "listen to the experts and don't trust yourself." but that kind of defeats the purpose of psychology, doesn't it?
as for talking about Fi... it's rather confusing; even the best definitions are kind of fuzzy. it's like Ni - you know what it is, and you know when you know something in a Ni way, but how to describe its functioning? it's interesting to talk about because it's somewhat mysterious even to those who use it all the time. i think we want to define and redefine it - really, i think the goal is just to discuss it - because it is so elusive, just like Ni, the other non-linear introverted function.
- perhaps less creative and more associative. there is so much association that it can become very difficult to compartmentalize and wall off one feeling tone from the next.
-perhaps less imaginative and more idealistic. Fi users don't attend to reality because they seek something better than reality. when an FP learns to communicate Fi to others, it can be inspiring, because it draws the other people to see a hope of something better as well.
i'm still not sure if this is totally removed from Ne. but maybe a little closer.
You do not have to qualify that you like me before you disagree with me, Sky..
being an expert certainly qualifies you as an expert. Although I agree that being an expert doesn't always mean you are correct.. to downplay it is even more dangerous than to blindly accept it.
If education is to have any value at all, than we have to assume and trust that the people who have dedicated their lives to studying something are indeed correct up to this point in what they are talking about.
In regard to typology. Well this is a system that has existed for over half a century and countless hours of research and case study have gone into devising the system. In other words it is not a system based on opinion but rather hardcore data that has to be attributed to a system in order for it to be understood on a universal level.
Fi is what it is..
The problem people are having is not that Fi users wishing to discuss their Fi.. The problem Others and myself are having is the redefinition of an established system by people who do not have the authority or credentials to so.
To me it seems that here are people who wish to learn about a subject , but only on their terms.
Which is not really very responsible.
All these .."let's redefine and change Fi" therads are doing is proving the descriptions of Fi as correct.
You are taking a very subjective and personal approach to something that has already been proven and saying it is wrong because it hurts your feelings..
Saying "but wait a minute, I have Fe qualities as well.." does not mean Fi is poorly described. It means you use Fe.
Simple short version:
Fi is so subjective that it can't even get past it's own subjectivity about itself.