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So why are you saying that INTJs do more Te than they do Ni?
I was just thinking that...
So why are you saying that INTJs do more Te than they do Ni?
I suggest you read my answer then.I was just thinking that...
This is unimportant. You have to call Intuition something.
You have to determine I/E independently. And if you're NFJ your Primary function is Feeling, which commonly works in tandem with Intuition.
Yes I have: It's simpler. It's all based on the four preferences. If you're I, you're Introverted. If you're N, you prefer Intuition. If you're T, you prefer Thinking. If you're P, you prefer Perceiving, hence your Primary function is Intuition.? If it's unimportant, wth is this thread about?
I am not getting this at all. You haven't discredited function theory other than to say it's rubbish - which is less than persuasive. And you haven't provided any reasons to suggest why your approach makes more sense.
Reasoning, as it's commonly referred to, is not as simple as the Thinking function.Not a different function but a different arena in which it is applied. Ask an INTJ to reason themselves and they think for hours and it takes effort. Ask an INTP and it flows like prematured wine (or bilge). It's all thinking but it's a notation upon which arena the subject prefers to apply it in.
Yeah, I know. Thinking is always Judging, and Perceiving is always related to input--The present environment, or memory.Oh and I think you'll find that INTPs are primarily judging in their thinking but they are P when extraverting. J/P is external.
Stop. You're arguing against things I have never said, nor thought.How can you say I/E are independent of Feeling, when feeling in an INFP and feeling in an ESFJ are such qualitatively and experiencially different things?
This makes no sense.
Not a different function but a different arena in which it is applied. Ask an INTJ to reason themselves and they think for hours and it takes effort. Ask an INTP and it flows like prematured wine (or bilge). It's all thinking but it's a notation upon which arena the subject prefers to apply it in.
Oh and I think you'll find that INTPs are primarily judging in their thinking but they are P when extraverting. J/P is external.
Yes I have: It's simpler. It's all based on the four preferences. If you're I, you're Introverted. If you're N, you prefer Intuition. If you're T, you prefer Thinking. If you're P, you prefer Perceiving, hence your Primary function is Intuition.
I'm convinced that the only reason anyone has a problem with it is because the less correct information has been available and accepted by so many for so long.
Stop. You're arguing against things I have never said, nor thought.
Use of the functions is affected by I/E. It doesn't change the definitions of the functions.
I'm not the only one who disagrees with MBTI functions, if popularity contests are your preferred method of logic.Because you're the only one with the power to discriminate between a valid argument and a load of nonsense, I suppose. Pretty arrogant.
Thank you for the psychology lesson, because I didn't know all that already. /sarcasm.Your preferences aren't conceptually related. I/E is an attitude, so is J/P. S/N, T/F are functions. You can't just lump them all together and call them the same sort of thing. It's invalid.
So you can't possibly be arguing for the more specific and convoluted conjecture that is MBTI function theory? I agree with you.We can only define the functions by the behaviours associated with them. We can't model what is actually going on the in the brain (other than with the crude PET scanning I was talking about earlier).
Feeling applied to a concept and applied to something external can be defined differently, but I choose not to for the sake of sense and simplicity.Therefore, if the behaviours associated with Fi and Fe are different, then Fi and Fe are different.
You're also not the only one able to discriminate between bullshit and a plausible theory.I'm not the only one who disagrees with MBTI functions, if popularity contests are your preferred method of logic.
I am, as it happens.So you can't possibly be arguing for the more specific and convoluted conjecture that is MBTI function theory? [/B]
"Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler" ~ most famous INTP of all.Feeling applied to a concept and applied to something external can be defined differently, but I choose not to for the sake of sense and simplicity.
Are you feeling challenged? Is it your Fi or your Fe, d'ya think?Are you playing Devil's Advocate to get me to clarify myself? Good strat, if so. Otherwise STFU!
No, I'm not, I'm just pondering your motivation. Okay, you're sticking with MBTI functions, congratulations. I'll leave you to it.Are you feeling challenged? Is it your Fi or your Fe, d'ya think?
? If it's unimportant, wth is this thread about?
I am not getting this at all. You haven't discredited function theory other than to say it's rubbish - which is less than persuasive. And you haven't provided any reasons to suggest why your approach makes more sense.
Thank you for your constant insight here at MBTI Central Forums, INTJMom. Like the rise of the sun every morning, we can count on you.
Hey, you leave Mom out of it.Thank you for your constant insight here at MBTI Central Forums, INTJMom. Like the rise of the sun every morning, we can count on you.
You have cut me to the quick.Thank you for your constant insight here at MBTI Central Forums, INTJMom. Like the rise of the sun every morning, we can count on you.
You drew first blood!You have cut me to the quick.
Yet another way to describe the sixteen types, and one with far less conjecture than MBTI function theory. Influenced by Jung, MBTI, Socionics, and others, but tied to no system I'm aware of. All differences are intentional, not errors. I do believe this to be more accurate than the above systems, but if nothing else, this may illustrate that they aren't set in stone.
If you are familiar with MBTI functions, please consider the extraverted and introverted components of a function to be combined into one function, for the purposes of this theory. For example, Ni and Ne are combined into Intuition.
Introversion and Extroversion are considered to define the types separately from their Primary and Support functions. The Primary function typically occupies the concentration of individuals. The Support function is the most dominant function of either Perceiving or Judging nature, the opposite of the Primary function. The remaining two are considered relatively unimportant, and their use is not specifically defined. The sum of the characteristics defines the type for the purposes of this theory.
INTP:
Introverted.
Primary function: Intuition
Support function: Thinking
ENTP:
Extroverted.
Primary function: Intuition
Support function: Thinking
INTJ:
Introverted.
Primary function: Thinking
Support function: Intuition
ENTJ:
Extroverted.
Primary function: Thinking
Support function: Intuition
INFP:
Introverted.
Primary function: Intuition
Support function: Feeling
ENFP:
Extroverted.
Primary function: Intuition
Support function: Feeling
INFJ:
Introverted.
Primary function: Feeling
Support function: Intuition
ENFJ:
Extroverted.
Primary function: Feeling
Support function: Intuition
ISTP:
Introverted.
Primary function: Sensing
Support function: Thinking
ESTP:
Extroverted.
Primary function: Sensing
Support function: Thinking
ISFP:
Introverted.
Primary function: Sensing
Support function: Feeling
ESFP:
Extroverted.
Primary function: Sensing
Support function: Feeling
ISTJ:
Introverted.
Primary function: Thinking
Support function: Sensing
ESTJ:
Extroverted.
Primary function: Thinking
Support function: Sensing
ISFJ:
Introverted.
Primary function: Feeling
Support function: Sensing
ESFJ:
Extroverted.
Primary function: Feeling
Support function: Sensing
Glossary:
Perceiving function: A function used to gain information.
Judging function: A function used to assign value.
Intuition: Acquisition of information other than what can be directly sensed with the five senses. Synonymous with Perception in other contexts.
Sensing: Acquisition of unmodified information gathered with the five senses.
Thinking: Logical processing of information.
Feeling: Emotional processing of information.