proteanmix
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This thread is to help people have better communications with the EJs in their life.
I feel like understanding the motivations of dominant extroverted judgment are deeply misunderstood on this forum and there isn't as much thought invested in what it means to be a dominant extroverted judger. EJs are often seen one dimensionally and their motivations tend to primarily be portrayed as mechanism of controlling other people against their will.
ExxJs are not one monolithic group anymore than INs are. ExFJs/ExTJs and ESxJs/ENxJs all have different things that make our toes tap and hearts swell. There are very important distinctions just as there are many similarities. One question that repeatedly pops up in my mind is why do I have so little difficulties with the ExxJs I know? I think one of the answers is the way EJs communicate I don't necessarily perceive as controlling or dictatorial. When I see a situation being brought to closure, I find that reassuring and competent if my need for information is satisfied and I feel the conclusion that's reached is beneficial for as many people as possible and solves the problem.
Te and Fe use commonly agreed upon standards and definitions to make decisions and deduce logic. That does not mean a Dom Te and Fe automatically follows or doesn't deviate from what that standard is, but is does imply that they more attuned to what it is. Sometimes, when you know exactly what that standard is, you can manipulate it, exploit it, or break it with greater ease than those who don't or don't know what they did "wrong" to get into the predicament they are in. On the other side, I think this contributes greatly to a common EJ mindset of "who's gonna stop me?/You and what army?" that people complain about. Standards also differ from community to community, situation to situation, and during different time periods. IOW, I think an ESFJ from Hinterlands, Iowa is going to look and present differently than an ESFJ from New York City, and beyond.
Dom Te and Fe also look very different depending on what introverted perceiving function is fueling it, but I think that many people often conflate cultural Te and Fe with Si.
So now that I'm done with my rambling add or ask anything feel free and I'd like to add I'm well acquainted with the problems people have with EJs so like I said, the purpose of this thread is to understand why an ExxJ may think the way the do. Of course, no one can look into crystal ball and figure out exactly how another's mind works but this thread may lead to some answers.
I feel like understanding the motivations of dominant extroverted judgment are deeply misunderstood on this forum and there isn't as much thought invested in what it means to be a dominant extroverted judger. EJs are often seen one dimensionally and their motivations tend to primarily be portrayed as mechanism of controlling other people against their will.
ExxJs are not one monolithic group anymore than INs are. ExFJs/ExTJs and ESxJs/ENxJs all have different things that make our toes tap and hearts swell. There are very important distinctions just as there are many similarities. One question that repeatedly pops up in my mind is why do I have so little difficulties with the ExxJs I know? I think one of the answers is the way EJs communicate I don't necessarily perceive as controlling or dictatorial. When I see a situation being brought to closure, I find that reassuring and competent if my need for information is satisfied and I feel the conclusion that's reached is beneficial for as many people as possible and solves the problem.
Te and Fe use commonly agreed upon standards and definitions to make decisions and deduce logic. That does not mean a Dom Te and Fe automatically follows or doesn't deviate from what that standard is, but is does imply that they more attuned to what it is. Sometimes, when you know exactly what that standard is, you can manipulate it, exploit it, or break it with greater ease than those who don't or don't know what they did "wrong" to get into the predicament they are in. On the other side, I think this contributes greatly to a common EJ mindset of "who's gonna stop me?/You and what army?" that people complain about. Standards also differ from community to community, situation to situation, and during different time periods. IOW, I think an ESFJ from Hinterlands, Iowa is going to look and present differently than an ESFJ from New York City, and beyond.
Dom Te and Fe also look very different depending on what introverted perceiving function is fueling it, but I think that many people often conflate cultural Te and Fe with Si.
So now that I'm done with my rambling add or ask anything feel free and I'd like to add I'm well acquainted with the problems people have with EJs so like I said, the purpose of this thread is to understand why an ExxJ may think the way the do. Of course, no one can look into crystal ball and figure out exactly how another's mind works but this thread may lead to some answers.