+1
This thread is silly.
Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go show my INFP how to use Ti by teaching her a little C++. Then I'm going to hone in a bit on my own Fi by creating a really unique painting representative of my current emotional state.
doh
tee-hee
if you think they're wrong is it because you think they're not understanding you? i'm curious about how ne and ti work together for you...is it an instant understanding of a situation in logical terms? because i feel like i instantly get things too..and get frustrated when it takes awhile for the other person to understand or assume that i don't because my opinion is different....but i'm truly asking because i'm not sure if the way we come to a conclusion has merit in all instances. is it just going with the gut instinct based on fi? and does that make it more inaccurate or just different?
Sorry I somehow missed this post until now.
The "instantly getting it" that you refer to is, I believe, best described as Ne. All at once you just recognize the relationship between a bunch of different variables as all part of some larger pattern that changes the meaning of each individual variable and everything just falls into place. That much we (ENTPs and ENFPs) definitely have in common.
But the discrepancy comes in the criteria upon which we evaluate the information that we take in. The frustration you're talking about when others don't get it as quickly as you is usually
not a problem between ENTP and ENFP--I feel like we can both pretty easily follow each other's reasoning process (Ne), but that each of us thinks the other is starting from flawed premises (due to Ti/Fe vs. Fi/Te difference.)
As I said earlier we both have strong preconceived notions about how to evaluate ideas, stemming mostly from Ti vs. Fi, so when it's a situation where we already have the value in question clearly defined (i.e., one requiring introverted judgment), we'll both make very quick decisions. But each of us will almost immediately see how the other reached his conclusion, recognize the "flaw" in the other's judgment process, and start making up more examples and analogies to "correct" the other.
So in short, ENTPs and ENFPs can be great friends as long as we focus on doing stuff that we both find interesting and entertaining, and not talking too much about moral/political/philosophical disagreements
Anyway, I don't think anyone's conclusions have merit in
all instances. Ti and Fi are sort of "gut feelings" because they lead to decisions based on subjective standards for evaluation, which the user simply "knows" are right. Like all introverted functions, they are based on evaluating the outside world in the context of personal subjective criteria, so they can at times be disconnected from what is objectively demonstrable. ENTPs tend to find logic innately obvious (Ti) but consider ethics something that has to be defined by external conditions (Fe), while ENFPs do the opposite (Fi/Te.)
Sometimes operating on subjective judgment can make our conclusions less accurate...sometimes it just makes them different. This is really context-dependent, and evaluating "accuracy" is going to depend on your preferred judgment faculties anyway. But if you're worried that Fi is making you inaccurate (which sounds like a Te thing), try to differentiate between situations that need to be dealt with subjectively (where you will listen to Fi/your conscience) vs. objectively (where you will let Te guide you according to objectively verifiable external standards.)
Surely each will be right some of the time, and trying to figure out which situations are which is part of everyone's growth and development.