relentless
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... That's better!
soz this was ment to be in former post
... That's better!
You feel like sharing with the rest of the class how your arrived upon those conclusions?
I definitely feel Batman is an F, he is too pasionate in his persuits and values not to be IMO. And INFJ is definitely a reasonable thought to me...
Because the Joker is Batmans alter-ego!
Batman has very good use of N, cause he is always one step ahead of the scum.
The Joker is an unpredictable J, and is clever enough to get away with his schemes.
Batman is not an F,!
Since this is one of the rare movies I actually watched I will add my 2 cents.
I am going with ENTJ for Joker.
And here is why.
The guy is crazy that is too obvious. But is he really random ?
I think not.
He talks about "chaos, anarchy and bla bla bla" quite a bit. What makes him look like a Ne dom but his actions are showing something else entirely.
When he and his gang were robbing the bank at the beginning you can clearly see how he plans everything and how his mind actually works. Plus stilling money is a quite Se thing to do.
When he showed up on a meeting with mafia he had planty of explosives with him so he can "blackmail" them.
In all the sceens that involve him and mafia he is has something planned just so he can have a clear advantage over them.
When he blew up a hospital he know how and when to do it. All the hostage situations he created were also planned down to a detail. Plus he has a gang to help him about those.
He is crazy and "playful" but his not random as he likes to present himself. Since that is only his image. (and ENTJs do alot of things just to preserve their image)
While his true goal is fulfiling his vision. Which is Gotham in a complete chaos. (what is Ni - Fi in a terms of MBTI)
So when you take a look at all of this you will realize that there is master plan going on. And the fact that people seem to miss it is exactly what makes it a master plan.
I mean people obviously don't seem to realize that just because someone is creating a mess that the person can be a J a the same time. The real question here is "How do you raise hell?" instead of "Do you rise hell?"
So my vote goes to ENTJ.
Since this is one of the rare movies I actually watched I will add my 2 cents.
I am going with ENTJ for Joker.
And here is why.
The guy is crazy that is too obvious. But is he really random ?
I think not.
He talks about "chaos, anarchy and bla bla bla" quite a bit. What makes him look like a Ne dom but his actions are showing something else entirely.
When he and his gang were robbing the bank at the beginning you can clearly see how he plans everything and how his mind actually works. Plus stilling money is a quite Se thing to do.
When he showed up on a meeting with mafia he had planty of explosives with him so he can "blackmail" them.
In all the sceens that involve him and mafia he is has something planned just so he can have a clear advantage over them.
When he blew up a hospital he know how and when to do it. All the hostage situations he created were also planned down to a detail. Plus he has a gang to help him about those.
He is crazy and "playful" but his not random as he likes to present himself. Since that is only his image. (and ENTJs do alot of things just to preserve their image)
While his true goal is fulfiling his vision. Which is Gotham in a complete chaos. (what is Ni - Fi in a terms of MBTI)
So when you take a look at all of this you will realize that there is master plan going on. And the fact that people seem to miss it is exactly what makes it a master plan.
I mean people obviously don't seem to realize that just because someone is creating a mess that the person can be a J a the same time. The real question here is "How do you raise hell?" instead of "Do you rise hell?"
So my vote goes to ENTJ.
Im sorry but aside from the bank robbery which was planned with near omniscient attention to detail none of these plans are really that complex. Infact they can be summed up in about one sentence.
Mafia: "People with guns are going to be angry at me so ill threaten to blow them up."
The hospital cant really be spoken for since no one actualy knows how he did it, it was actualy a bit of a writer copout "Hes the joker, he can do that"
Hostages: "I dress the hostages as the clowns they shoot the clowns."
Also he doesnt seem to have any kind of ni -fi "vision" going on, hes just expressing hes hatred of the boring natural order of htings.(inferior Si)
YouTube - The Dark Knight - Hospital Scene (Two-Face and Joker) HQ
That video is the definition of inferior Si.
Im sorry but aside from the bank robbery which was planned with near omniscient attention to detail none of these plans are really that complex. Infact they can be summed up in about one sentence.
Mafia: "People with guns are going to be angry at me so ill threaten to blow them up."
The hospital cant really be spoken for since no one actualy knows how he did it, it was actualy a bit of a writer copout "Hes the joker, he can do that"
Hostages: "I dress the hostages as the clowns they shoot the clowns."
Also he doesnt seem to have any kind of ni -fi "vision" going on, hes just expressing hes hatred of the boring natural order of htings.(inferior Si)
YouTube - The Dark Knight - Hospital Scene (Two-Face and Joker) HQ
That video is the definition of inferior Si.
Since this is one of the rare movies I actually watched I will add my 2 cents.
I am going with ENTJ for Joker.
And here is why.
The guy is crazy that is too obvious. But is he really random ?
I think not.
He talks about "chaos, anarchy and bla bla bla" quite a bit. What makes him look like a Ne dom but his actions are showing something else entirely.
When he and his gang were robbing the bank at the beginning you can clearly see how he plans everything and how his mind actually works.
Plus stilling money is a quite Se thing to do.
He is crazy and "playful" but his not random as he likes to present himself. Since that is only his image. (and ENTJs do alot of things just to preserve their image)
While his true goal is fulfiling his vision. Which is Gotham in a complete chaos. (what is Ni - Fi in a terms of MBTI)
So when you take a look at all of this you will realize that there is master plan going on. And the fact that people seem to miss it is exactly what makes it a master plan.
I mean people obviously don't seem to realize that just because someone is creating a mess that the person can be a J a the same time. The real question here is "How do you raise hell?" instead of "Do you rise hell?"
So my vote goes to ENTJ.
Yeah, but, he didn't give two shits about the money. It wasn't about the money. He burned it in the end. This is one of the most obvious cases for ENTP versus ENTJ.....
Skill at planning has nothing to do with J/P, if everything points to him being ENTP except for his skill at planning, then Occam's razor says he's an ENTP that is good at planning.
He seems like a very reactive kind of a guy, sure he can plan well but he also tosses those plans aside on a whim.
I know (at least) one ENTJ who would burn the money if placed in the same situation...
Power has always been more fun than money.
Burning the money was the smartest thing the joker did. By showing that the rules didn't apply to him (he didn't care about money), he showed everyone how much power he really had.