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Who says you can trust the source?.. What if man wrote the bible through the inspiration or control of something darker?
We know these truths to be self evident; virgins don't give birth and when you die, you're dead.
Alarm bells ought to be ringing in your head if told otherwise (normally).
There's motive of control and power in lying to the masses to keep them in line too.
Christians it seems, get lied to all the time in The Bible, and the answer is [MENTION=28104]wool[/MENTION] no, Christians WOULD NOT know if we were getting lied to, unless you were like me, and able to see past the lies.
The Book was written by people, and any power that guided that hand surely worked for the bondage of nature.
Revelation 3:20
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
[MENTION=28104]wool[/MENTION]
There's God, there's Satan and, nothing is stopping Satan from lying to mankind pretending to be God in order to damn mankind.
If God was the guard who'd only tell you the truth and Satan was the guard who only lied to you, and you were a prisoner and there were 2 doors with these 2 guards, 1 door leads to your salvation, the other, to your damnation and you could only ask 1 guard 1 question and choose 1 door and both looked equal to the eye so there was no way of telling which guard was the truth telling guard and which guard was the lying guard.
Souls who haven't been saved through faith are slaves to sin and are destined to perish. You believe yourself to be free. Why then does your soul thirst for the light of truth?
[MENTION=28104]wool[/MENTION], you now I'm TS right?
Are you capable of talking about this thread or do you just quote bible verse and ignore what I've been asking you posts now.
I do not believe I'm free. The universe is a scenario, each piece contingent on another, bonded naturally through and through.
Mechanical advantage has been levied by our species and deeper for hundreds of thousands of years. Only in the past hundred and fifty can we say we are really gaining traction about our place.
We have discovered that power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely, so we have maximised our freedom by limiting power. And the limitation of power is called liberal democracy, and it works.
God has absolute power and those who want power claim to have God on their side.
It'd be hard to know what to believe. Eve sure as shit didn't know whether to believe God or some talking snake.
Also, Gnosticism. Essentially, the belief that "God" is a liar. To them, God is the fuckup in that and every other imperfect situation because he fucked up in creating our world altogether. Also, there's really like a Super God above him. Basically, the gnostics were the Alex Jones of their time.
Check out its relationship with Christianity here. It sort of answers the question directly posed in the OP, at least from one perspective:
Christians it seems, get lied to all the time in The Bible, and the answer is [MENTION=28104]wool[/MENTION] no, Christians WOULD NOT know if we were getting lied to, unless you were like me, and able to see past the lies.
The Book was written by people, and any power that guided that hand surely worked for the bondage of nature.
Hmm, I would think that if someone believed a lie, being able to someday see passed the lie would be most dependent on the individual having critical thinking skills and being humble enough to entertain the idea that he or she might be wrong. Blanketly stating that Christians would not know if they were being lied to is inaccurate as many Christians leave the faith. If Christianity is a lie, then right there you have an example of Christians seeing passed the lie and walking out. Also, why are Christians in particular especially blind to lies? There are numerous religions that believe in your "self-evident truths" such as life after death. Perhaps you should modify your topic title to "if a person's beliefs were lies, would he/she know it?"
Hmm, I would think that if someone believed a lie, being able to someday see passed the lie would be most dependent on the individual having critical thinking skills and being humble enough to entertain the idea that he or she might be wrong. Blanketly stating that Christians would not know if they were being lied to is inaccurate as many Christians leave the faith.
I was one of these. The importance of critical thinking cannot be overestimated. It is the best defense against having the wool pulled over one's eyes, deliberately or through the intertia of tradition/custom. Religious beliefs that can't hold up to such scrutiny are not worth embracing.
When we speak of religion and the bible, we're talking about something supernatural. Anyone who chooses it and believes it can have that experience. That's the only way to know.
When we speak of religion and the bible, we're talking about something supernatural. Anyone who chooses it and believes it can have that experience. That's the only way to know.
Take some peyote I imagine and you'd probably have an experience, you don't need faith, just drugs.
Drugs like peyote are organic, like mankind, natural, not supernatural. It's also in our nature to lie, cheat, steal and all of that, so any book written to suppress nature and natural urges is a book looking to control. Control through lies. Control also, to unite and divide, unite a people to divide.
Wouldn't Satan, the father of all lies, come claiming that a virgin gave birth and the life eternal, wouldn't then accepting that lie damn your life into submission and bondage?
I'm not saying there isn't a God or Satan, I'm just not buying the Bible fore it probably was written by Satan calling himself God and God is something as well as Satan, who guided us with this world they created, and maybe the Holy Spirit is just everyone, us, you, me, everyone, and God and Satan both have different wants for us, our time here on Earth. We listen to nature, we're okay, we listen to lies, we're murdering each other damning each other and it all kinda sucks.
I write this from the UK and I'm a Christian, in my part of the union, sectarian violence or Jihadists aren't really as bad, Northern Ireland and outside of the UK, can be pretty bad; not to say my part of the world or community is immune from attack fore there are places of worship of all faiths attack around here I'm afraid to say but, it's not an all out war zone and people aren't being shot down in the roads for their beliefs; We even have terrorism in this part of the world. I was Christened in a Congregational Church; So I'm that... As a child I too was member of this Church and is the only place of worship to this day that I was ever a member of; my Church; I'm not even against going into today tbh. I just having been since I was 18, and that was a first for me since I was a child even back then in 2005..
It's Protestant, it was never as strict as The Church of England;
In my Church, we wear our Sunday Best, sing hymns and at the door at at the pew there are hymn books they give you that you either return at the end of service or leave at the pew, depending where you found it', hymns, and then stories that you sit down, shut up and listen to, then hymns, more hymns, story, and hymn, and... Every hymn as well as the playlist displayed in this antique looking board that you put numbers into that tells you what hymns to sing next from the book they give you, the old leather book, my church is old school, I love that about that but Church is Church.. - and everyone has to sing along, share the song book if they're aren't enough to go around to to sing with your fellow Christians/fellow man/woman/child/human... Then there's prayer time at your pew; that's when you you close your eyes, repeat the prayer said by the Reverend, who tells most/all the stories, then you donate through passing the donation around, then it's over; It gets big for Harvest Festival and Christmas and Good Friday/Easter Sunday
but if ever asked on a form at a hospital or anything; I just write Church of England and tick Christian or whatever.
As a child (in the 90's) when my family on rare occasion got religious for ceremonies, always went Church of England through people we met at this Congregational.
This is really my church, my branch of Christianity, because they christened me as baby and made me a card carrying Christian in the eyes everyone, God, Devil; everyone, I was a Christian from this church but I fear I may not be able to be confirmed given my beliefs now.
Reaching out to others and growing together in the grace of God, a people seeking to glorify God and enjoy Him forever.
In obedience to the Great Commission of our Lord Jesus Christ & being called together as servants of the Kingdom of God in Thornton Heath & to the world, we seek to glorify God, in accordance with the fundamentals of the Gospel, in the following aims:
To bring men & women to repentance & faith in Jesus Christ.
To provide a warm and supportive Christian environment.
To serve the Lord and provide fellowship, prayer, Bible teaching, the Lord’s people and to any who are in need of help to the glory of God.
The Basis of Faith
GOD
There is only one God who exists as three distinct and equal persons: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. God is the living God who is almighty, eternal, unchanging and knows all things past, present and future. He is just and holy, gracious and merciful. He is sovereign Ruler and Creator of all things and exercises his sovereignty in Creation, Providence and Redemption. As the Maker and Ruler of all things he is deserving of all praise and glory forever.
I've had an experience to remove my doubts. It wasn't like breaking a leg or drugs, in that there isn't physical proof. There isn't supposed to be....This isn't to say that, spiritually, everything is perfect for me. If I stop and think about it, sometimes, I feel a distance between me and God.
Wouldn't Satan, the father of all lies, come claiming that a virgin gave birth and the life eternal, wouldn't then accepting that lie damn your life into submission and bondage?
I'm not saying there isn't a God or Satan, I'm just not buying the Bible fore it probably was written by Satan calling himself God and God is something as well as Satan, who guided us with this world they created, and maybe the Holy Spirit is just everyone, us, you, me, everyone, and God and Satan both have different wants for us, our time here on Earth. We listen to nature, we're okay, we listen to lies, we're murdering each other damning each other and it all kinda sucks.
You're not the first person to have these thoughts. I've had them too. I don't think the bible is a perfect book either. I know preachers like to say that, but it doesn't make sense. What's in it is useful anyhow.
I was Christened in a Congregational Church; So I'm that... As a child I too was member of this Church and is the only place of worship to this day that I was ever a member of; my Church; I'm not even against going into today tbh. I just having been since I was 18, and that was a first for me since I was a child even back then in 2005..
It's Protestant, it was never as strict as The Church of England;
In my Church, we wear our Sunday Best, sing hymns and at the door at at the pew there are hymn books they give you that you either return at the end of service or leave at the pew, depending where you found it', hymns, and then stories that you sit down, shut up and listen to, then hymns, more hymns, story, and hymn, and... Every hymn as well as the playlist displayed in this antique looking board that you put numbers into that tells you what hymns to sing next from the book they give you, the old leather book, my church is old school, I love that about that but Church is Church.. - and everyone has to sing along, share the song book if they're aren't enough to go around to to sing with your fellow Christians/fellow man/woman/child/human... Then there's prayer time at your pew; that's when you you close your eyes, repeat the prayer said by the Reverend, who tells most/all the stories, then you donate through passing the donation around, then it's over; It gets big for Harvest Festival and Christmas and Good Friday/Easter Sunday
but if ever asked on a form at a hospital or anything; I just write Church of England and tick Christian or whatever.
As a child (in the 90's) when my family on rare occasion got religious for ceremonies, always went Church of England through people we met at this Congregational.
This is really my church, my branch of Christianity, because they christened me as baby and made me a card carrying Christian in the eyes everyone, God, Devil; everyone, I was a Christian from this church but I fear I may not be able to be confirmed given my beliefs now.
You might've outgrown this church. Ime, church is the same stuff over and over. You can get the gist of it pretty quickly. The type of people who are would carry on with it week after week have their limitations as far as what answers and conversations they are willing to have.
@GrandAdmiralCrunch
I wouldn't say I've out grown that Church..
Seems they edited out the hymns here, but this sect was the sect who christened me, in that room, when I was a baby.
This video is 'Christian Church to me minus all the hymns'.
I do not believe I'm free. The universe is a scenario, each piece contingent on another, bonded naturally through and through.
Mechanical advantage has been levied by our species and deeper for hundreds of thousands of years. Only in the past hundred and fifty can we say we are really gaining traction about our place.
The reality of the situation is you will inevitably be controlled by one of two powers who are currently waging a war for your soul. Unless you yield yourself to the control of God, you will be dominated by satan.
Your soul will be destroyed if you continue to neglect it, just like your body will die if you neglect to feed it.
It is not too late to step off the path of unbelief.
