Azure Flame
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So how does the E1 fear of becomming corrupt manifest in their behavior? What does it even mean?
lol
I almost started to understand you then I lost it.
So the 1's self criticize because they're trying to absolve themselves of flaws and corruption. By criticizing themselves they better themselves and become perfectionistic in everything they do?
So the fear of corruption also creates an anticipatory response to criticism? So they may verbally attack others for being wrong before the person can even think about it and criticize the 1? In essense, the 1 strives to be the first person to be right in a situation?
Kind of? This might be more likely to happen with unhealthy 1s. Sure as hell doesn't happen with me; I'm too aware of my own imperfections to project them onto others, most of the time.So the 1's self criticize because they're trying to absolve themselves of flaws and corruption. By criticizing themselves they better themselves and become perfectionistic in everything they do?
So the fear of corruption also creates an anticipatory response to criticism? So they may verbally attack others for being wrong before the person can even think about it and criticize the 1? In essense, the 1 strives to be the first person to be right in a situation?
I think so. I'm pretty sure that unhealthy 1s tend to suppress their own self-doubt to the point that it only arises under stress. See: Frollo, from The Hunchback of Notre Dame, aka the archetypal unhealthy 1w2.So it was always someone else's fault when he made a mistake. Is this also a case of unhealthy 1 behavior?
Oh yeah. I actually mistyped as a 6 for a while.Also, how does sp 1 anxiety differ to CP 6/5 anxiety? I assume here that they can appear rather similar?
Was my post not helpful? :/Meanwhile E1's... Idunno wtf their problem is.
[MENTION=16405]LeaT[/MENTION]...
lmao dude, don't let that shit get to you. Some people are just fucking morons.
You're right, it is. It bothers me because I don't understand :/ Especially since I know that I know that they were wrong or in the example of complaining I have a poor reaction time, well jolly good you noticed, I know this too and I play with a high ms because I play from EU on US servers. Now is this still a reason to hold this against me when you're the one suiciding in their base without telling the rest of the team beforehand lol?I'd play splinter cell coop with my INFP friend, and the whole time he'd just be bitching me out on how much I suck or how I'm going to ruin everything. Then I beat the level for him and he was like, "... oh... good job." I just tuned him out the whole time because I know I'm the best gamer in t3h w@rld.
If I were to go freudian on you it sounds like your E5 fear of inadequacy was the only reason these retards were getting to you, but I could be totally off base there.
E6's tend to criticize from a position of mistrust to see how you react because, from what I gather, they're looking for someone who isn't phobic the way they are, so they test and test to make sure you fit the bill. Meanwhile E1's... Idunno wtf their problem is. I can't say for certain if I know very many in my life. They just seem to take themselves too seriously for me to have much interest engaging them.
I think so. I'm pretty sure that unhealthy 1s tend to suppress their own self-doubt to the point that it only arises under stress. See: Frollo, from The Hunchback of Notre Dame, aka the archetypal unhealthy 1w2.
Oh yeah. I actually mistyped as a 6 for a while.
I can't answer this for sp 1s, but my anxiety is generally a fear of getting things wrong. Even when I'm afraid of the unknown, it's because I'm afraid that I won't succeed at dealing with the unknown, because I won't be prepared -- and not succeeding will mean Doing It Wrong and embarrassing myself. As I understand it, 6/5 anxiety is more of a general "survival" thing -- something that I don't relate to at all.
Was my post not helpful? :/
oh no it was!
I was just being dramatic in relation to the guy who was just criticizing his behavior on the phone. Its hard to know if that was a 1 or not that was accusing him.
lol
I almost started to understand you then I lost it.
So the 1's self criticize because they're trying to absolve themselves of flaws and corruption. By criticizing themselves they better themselves and become perfectionistic in everything they do?
So the fear of corruption also creates an anticipatory response to criticism? So they may verbally attack others for being wrong before the person can even think about it and criticize the 1? In essense, the 1 strives to be the first person to be right in a situation?
When I was at work yesterday I spoke to this very unpleasant man. I work by interviewing people over the telephone and while he agreed to perform and finish the interview, he was constantly rude towards me and I was thinking about this and how it related to the enneagram. For example, one of the first things he tells me is that the headset sound is bad and I'm like all right, I try to adjust the sound volume by putting the microphone closer to my mouth. Then he said that I should spit out the bubblegum I got in my mouth (I got none!) because it sounds like I'm chewing on something (to him). I think the simpler explanation is that I am having a mild cold and I had difficulty breathing through my nose yesterday with a somewhat sore throat to go with it.
Then he keeps complaining about how I am simply performing my job poorly like I am annoying to listen to, I should stop reading, I should stop follow my work policy and protocol because it annoys him and so on. As a competency type myself all this needless criticism seemed very unproductive especially as I found most of it being unfounded and it was like he was bitching for the sake of bitching. I could however see how both a CP6 or a 1 could behave in the manner he did. Would you say this is an example of unhealthy 1 or 6 behavior? It was most definitely superego driven.
Similarly, I was playing League of Legends the other day and I was playing with another person who kept nagging at me and others for not being good enough for them. Our reaction times were too slow, he was so good and no one could live up to his standards etc. He for example said that I should thank him for him saving me from almost dying even though it was him who got me into the situation where I almost died to begin with! Just needless constant nitpicking. Or how he complained that the rest of us were too slow for saving his sorry ass when he suicides at the enemy base. There's no way in hell we could have reacted fast enough to save him unless him warning us beforehand that he is going to perform that action which he did.
So it was always someone else's fault when he made a mistake. Is this also a case of unhealthy 1 behavior?
Also, how does sp 1 anxiety differ to CP 6/5 anxiety? I assume here that they can appear rather similar?
I mostly just skimmed through the story, but I ENTP-skimmed...
What I gather is that the way that guy behaved with you was an emotional reaction, which was also displayed out of context. Meaning, the guy basically was erupting on you because he was upset with something else. The simplest (perhaps too simple) explanation is projection. I can totally see that as being a CP 6-ish reaction from a phobic 6. I have yet to meet an E1 who is so quick to be openly critical and that too towards a stranger (It might just be that I don't know too many E1s IRL, but I cannot be certain). I have seen such a thing happen before and it is uncannily similar to my experience. However, I will agree with you in that my statement is merely speculation.
Sp E1 anxiety... well, I am still not entirely sure of my variant stacking, but I am certainly not sp last. I can relate to the anxiety bit, but my anxiety is all about being deprived while still being competent. I worry about losing my independence and that worry manifests as a fear of not being able to get a job, or a job that pays enough money, or losing my money if I invest in the stock market too much xD. I also fret over how well I have done my job. I can always improve it. Always.
My $0.02
Makes sense.
Hm, so one could say more like just general sp anxiety?
Hmm.. would you say that criticizing yourself before others can would help you avoid feeling bad about criticism, so actually while you convince yourself it's for the sake of being right, it's also self-protection? Armor of sorts?if a 1 finds flaws within the self, the 1 will censure the self badly enough so that others' words have little to no effect. So, we get back to the basic of being 1 - having the inner critic.
The voice of the inner critic can be anything from mild to vitriolic, depending upon the health of the E1.
Does this help??
Yes Yes Yes a thousand times to the bolded.I don't really relate to a fear of corruption either. If anything, I think my friend/acquaintance groups have included a wide variety of people, many of which were polar opposite from me. We intersected in the areas where we had commonality but branched off in areas where my philosophy/faith/values took me in a different direction and it seemed to work.
Re criticism
I think that I find criticism difficult for a couple of reasons. Firstly, I'm already very hard on myself, so it is dreadful to realize how obvious and offensive those same flaws are to other people. I remember as a kid not wanting to show anyone my work until I had improved it as well as I could first. Even as I worked on it myself, it was like I was split off from myself watching myself and criticizing. When something was pointed out (particularly if it was something where I had to put myself out there like music theatre or speech arts), I just felt really embarrassed that I hadn't thought of it first and embarrassed at the thought of it having looked stupid.
As a kid, and even sometimes now I am easily embarrassed socially. If someone points out a gaffe I made in a way that is public or doesn't seem to be sympathetic, I just writhe inside, playing and replaying it. I think I can better sort out the other person's motivations now than I used to and also can take away something useful out of the experience more easily than I once did.
I also have always been extremely sensitive to blame. It's strange, because I had a very warm, supportive family and blame was never a big deal, but I would go to great lengths to avoid even disapproval. I honestly can't say why that is, but as an adult have had to face the fact that it can even cause me to violate my own moral code by not always giving all the information or by not being totally honest. It's not a matter either of not being willing to face that I messed up. It's more the matter of disappointing others, or feeling the emotional weight of their unhappiness with me, rather than dealing with the problem itself. I can change my behaviour, but I can't change other people's feelings.
I think my criticism is generally directed inwards much more than outwards. On the occasions where it is directed outwards, it is usually as a last resort to change circumstances that I think are going to cause real and lasting harm.
That would imply that the primary motivation is avoiding criticism from others, when the primary motivation is to always be in the right, thereby avoiding criticism both from yourself and from others. Severe self-criticism can't serve a positive purpose for a 1, as far as I can tell -- though unhealthy 1s or 1s in a bad place might try to use that self-criticism as punishment, in the hopes that it will be an effective form of self-discipline, though that ends up doing the opposite of what they want it to do.Hmm.. would you say that criticizing yourself before others can would help you avoid feeling bad about criticism, so actually while you convince yourself it's for the sake of being right, it's also self-protection? Armor of sorts?