Owfin
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- Dec 18, 2011
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- MBTI Type
- ISTJ
- Enneagram
- 6w7
- Instinctual Variant
- sp/sx
I am the anti-one!! *flexes*
You seem awfully righteous for an anti-one...
I am the anti-one!! *flexes*
You seem awfully righteous for an anti-one...
Righteous?
My morals are very grey-scale and bendy, at least the few that I have are =/
Live and let live is my motto!
I was joking. Yeah, anybody who would type you as a one needs to get their vision checked.
Ohh, on that note, do you think tense-ness could be a sign of withholding anger (or other emotions).
I am very future orientated, which doesn't gel with E9 from what I've read. I've often looked at the below symbols as a potential tat called "Sankofa" which means "return and get it" as a symbol of importance of learning from the past, I love the message but have never been able to justify getting it as a tat as even though I love what it says it does not resinate stronly with me. I rarely think of things that are gone.
Righteous?
My morals are very grey-scale and bendy, at least the few that I have are =/
Live and let live is my motto!
Tense-ness is a sign that you are not connected to your body, you don't realize that you are tense when you're up in your head, this is common for all headtypes. You are not a 9, you're 100% a head type!!!!
When you say you're future orientated, is it more about what you're going to do today, tomorrow, on the weekend, in a month, a year? Or do you just enjoy thinking about the future and dreaming up possiblities with "what if" questions, prepare for some of them, and never really doing anything? Or are you working out what's going to happen so that you know what's coming at you, and then doing things to prevent anything bad from happening?
I wanted to say that if you have an ExFJ mother...you automatically become a head-type. This is just how it is. Seriously!!! (okay...that might not be totally true...but how else are you going to deal with that??? haha).
I also wanted to say that those 'potential tats' are gorgeous! I'd like to steal your idea...(I especially like the heart shaped one - must you get both for the entire Sankofa message?)...but can't because I couldn't justify getting them either!!! I actually have been trying to examine the past lately...and learn from it... but it has been hard. I'm not naturally wired for this kind of thing...and I can't say that I'm doing all that great with it. Yah...I could never get those tats! LOL.
Let us know when you have your final verdict Mr. Seven! (just kidding...what do I know...you could totally be a very a-typical 9 haha! that would be cool as well!).
live and let live is not a bendy motto.
Righto, help me!
This is a list of the E9/E7 stuff that I feel does and does not fit, whaddya recon?
My issues with 7/Support of 9:
- I don't fear boredom, maybe in part because my mind can always entertain me but also partly because I don't need to be doing anything I'm happy to sit there and ponder things.
- I am not high-energy, I'm actually decidedly low energy.
- Anger is the one thing in other people that I withdraw from faster than anything as I seriously cannot handle it, if you show me anger I will never trust you again.
- I consider myself more ballsy than assertive, although I can be when I need to be.
- I am highly introspective and have always lived in my head.
- I do not have a strong sense of self as separate from others.
- I tend to go with the flow rather than create my own path against resistance.
- I don't really have goals, and can't generally be fussed with setting any, every once in a while I'll try to set some but it is short-lived.
- I avoid confrontation. I hate confrontation. It's the reason I stopped modding elsewhere and I cringe if there are disagreements here.
- I am usually quiet, I listen more than I talk, but I do have my excited moments.
- I am used to being on my own, and am comfortable there.
- I have faith that all things will work out.
- I don't like to draw attention - but I can handle it fine.
- I do not use force to assert myself.
- The statement "a lot of my excitement goes on in my imagination" is very much true.
- I don't feel as though anxiety is an issue for me.
- I seek to remain neutral in conflict. I'm very active in this pursuit much of the time!
- I can idealise others.
- Burying ones head in the sand is a past time for me.
- While people can see my ENTP need to debate as argumentative I will never raise my voice and take a conversation personal, which is my definition of an argument. I have never argued with a romantic partner, ever.
- I think I'm softer 'round the edges than the average ENTP. As much as I enjoy devils advocating I could never be a troll.
My issues with 9/Support of 7:
- I enjoy high emotions and elation.
- I see myself more as a head type than gut type - but then 9s are often out of harmony with their gutness.
- I am highly impulsive.
- I play fun and work hard, generally in that order.
- When I am motivated by something I will get it hell or high water (unless I'm distracted by something shinier).
- Short attention span; I has them.
- I am comfortable taking the lead when I feel competent and no one else is. I sought out a management position.
- I can be quite competitive.
- I do not believe I am seen as too accommodating, even if I am.
- I love stimulation, adventure, excitement and variety.
- I can be assertive - but then I am a w8.
- I resist commitment and stability, in favour of keeping options open and wanting change.
- I'm all for instant gratification.
- I do not deny myself what I want. Get an idea in my head: need it instantly.
- I'm a quick thinker.
- I'm aware of, and comfortable owning my strengths, and I can also downplay my weaknesses, although I will still own them.
- I do not equate self-assertion with aggression, I see the former as very positive.
- Sp/So E9s can be seen as the least assertive of all the enneagram types, I'm not.
If that was the way to tell them apart then 7 would be off the table, I am not high energy:
I'm excitable and encouragable, but not high energy or clearly extroverted. As extreme as those scores look with energy v other extraversion, it's fair.
I had to read that a few times to get it to sink in but it does feel somewhat true for me, I don't have a strong sense of self, who I am depends on who I'm with, not because I change but because who they see me as changes my view of myself. I'm fiercely independent, but I'm also unsure of who I am unless someone else tells me.
Actually that's something I've always struggled to comprehend until now: I constantly seek reassurance, not because I have low self esteem, I don't believe I do, but because I have poor perception on who I am and need to be told again and again to understand.
I love excitement, and activity, I just don't create it. For one I often can't be bothered with the effort, and for two I often don't know how it would go across with others and that stops me.
When stressed I relate to excessive, materialistic, passive and unresponsive =/ I seek avoidance, the easiest way is to do it in isolation however if the opportunity to be stimulated came up I would take it as I know that when around people or activity I will recharge and leave in a better mind frame then I started with. I want an emotional high from activities, good feelings chase off the bad ones, at least for a while.
I like euphoria. I seek highs.
Yeah, I don't think I'm unfocused, nor indirect when talking, actually I can be too direct at times. And the withdrawal thing is something both types can share in different ways, that's the reason I saw 7 fitting so well; my avoidance when something I don't like comes along rather than dealing with it asap to minimise it's impact, I stick my head in the sand and hum "lalalaa". But then it seems both types are pretty good at that tack.
Looking at something linked in elsewhere
That is me, in a really bad way. I can go for months without opening mail, and for years friends would pay me out about the stupidity of me owning a phone cause I never answered it. That was me in deep depression. I survived as much as I could by living in a dream state when I could.
I also have 7 and 9 in my tritype, which makes it difficult to figure out primary E type.
Righto, help me!
- Sp/So E9s can be seen as the least assertive of all the enneagram types, I'm not.
Seems my body has no neck connection!
How can you be so sure? Your conviction is throwing my need to keep things open! I'm trying to think back to what it was that gave me certainty with my MB type cause I was very unconvinced initially, time and trying it on I guess. Problem is I've done that with 7, and I cannot see myself as 5 or 6 =/
Good question, my immediate reaction is iunno
I don't dwell on what I'm going to do, the longer in advance an event is known the less likely I'll want to go, if I want it I want it now, if I can't have it now I lose interest and forget about it. It's more about "what ifs", to be honest though I mostly think about things that have no basis in reality so there's no need to do anything with them, t'would be fair to call me a dreamer.
Oh wow, you want me to go into the dark light *fear* It sounds so anti-instinctual that this will take considerable effort and time to firstly recognise the avoidance and then try to figure out the underlying issue, sounds scary fun, scary cause like eww at going there, fun because it'll be a new experience although at the time I'm sure I won't see it that way.
Ohh, on that note, do you think tense-ness could be a sign of withholding anger (or other emotions).
Oh there's definitely no logical reason that supports my avoidance, and sound logical reasons to deal with things. I know this, and I consider myself smart enough not to constantly fall back into avoiding things that will make life harder... but I do. Again and again. And so I get angry at myself for it, but then I think happy thoughts and go back to avoiding both the initial issue, and now also the stupidity of avoidance.
I suspect fear and anger are closely linked in the E9.
And yes, tenseness is a sign that something is going on. I usually relate it to fear and nervousness, but I suspect fear and anger are closely linked in the E9.
Not for me, they are quite separate.
I feel tense when I am angry and fearful... more like despairing, really. I usually am only angry when I am feeling desperate, anyways.
Do you know what level you identify with?
(I'm wondering if my suspicion applies more to certain levels.)
Going by this: http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/typenine.asp I identify with basically everything between level 2 and 7. Though I do see the word "fear" in level 4, I don't think of that emotion as fear but annoyance/uneasiness.