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    My ex took a philosophy class and all I wanted to do was argue about the philosphy and show how onesided alot of the stuff is and add my own philosophy to the mix Philosophy is a part of my life, I dont really study it, I just live it. I couldnt take a philosophy class because its like taking a class thats telling me how to think philosophically, I would like to argue the whole time just to argue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Poki_ View Post
    My ex took a philosophy class and all I wanted to do was argue about the philosphy and show how onesided alot of the stuff is and add my own philosophy to the mix Philosophy is a part of my life, I dont really study it, I just live it. I couldnt take a philosophy class because its like taking a class thats telling me how to think philosophically, I would like to argue the whole time just to argue.
    I'm the opposite.

    My contribution isn't going to be too great, since I'm . . . studying philosophy, but I think it's interesting to see reasons why certain people approach the subject. For me, I take all these philosophy courses because I want an answer, or at least an opinion on how I could live my life. It's kind of against what the pursuit of philosophy is all about, but I want to accrue as much knowledge as I can to understand what has been said, and my come up with my own thoughts on the matter. I guess it's okay in so far as my want to understand how God and life and morals works, but I also want an answer I'm certain about for things I'm uncertain of.

    But, uhhhhhhh, in my experience, it's not just ''N'' biased, it's also heavily populated by men. That goes for a lot of fields, but the amount of females who are into studying philosophy (who aren't assholes) is alarmingly low. I'm not surprised, but it's one thing to know that something is heavily populated by males, and another to actually be one of the few people that aren't dudes.

    That reminds me, though. I think N's favor is because it's an attempt to understand the circuitry of what we can say about our existence. That's not a lot of people's cup of tea, especially since it's a few steps removed from any direct application. That's not a big problem, though. I think the problem is that the desire to learn more about something like philosophy is mistaken for a greater capacity to understand philosophical concepts. To an extent it is true, but I also think what a lot of people do is assume that those who don't necessarily grasp philosophical ideas are less intelligent. While I do think the ability to understand philosophy has implications for your ability to think critically, and reflects an above average intelligence in the general sense, it does not exclusively represent what it can mean to be intelligent, or competent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    Most descriptions of Ns, from my reading of them, seem to imply that they are always engrossed in the process of reading deeper into things, forming connections, thinking on what some philosophers might describe as a "higher plane" than that of the practical world. Whereas Ss are portrayed as the opposite: perpetually focused on this plane, as it is the only plane in which practical things -- their specialty -- can be done.

    But the thing is, not all Ns are into that sort of thought process. Just as some Ss are indeed drawn towards philosophical thought, some Ns think that philosophical musings are pointless, pretentious, and annoying (and I've met some of those Ns, so that's my anecdotal evidence).

    So I'd be interested in hearing more about this: Ns who aren't philosophers, who focus more on the here and now, what their thought processes are, what their interests are and why they're interested in them. I'd be interested in re-framing the S/N dialogue so it doesn't involve "higher" and "lower" planes of thought, and de-bunking this myth -- and replacing it with actual facts -- might be a good way to get that re-framing started.
    "forming connections" ahem, is it necessarily a negative thing to combine all knowledge into one structure to prevent such sensor phenomenas as "supernatural" from existing?

    I prefer my knowledge consister rather than as inconsistently separate branches.

    Without my kind of people, your realitys norm would be "supernatural".
    healthiness is all about appreciating other peoples inferior function. its like the sore spot no one ever notices, but we desperately wish they did, and if you focus on doing that, youll have many friends. and also learn to appreciate your own inferior function, others wont find it stupid if you show them how cool it is.

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    Not all of us do it always - most probably do not. But I think we achieve it more readily when we decide to.

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