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    1) When you think, do you hear your own voice in your head?
    Depends on how you define "thinking" doesn't it? To think in words, yes you need to hear the voice in your head. To think in images and emotions, no you don't. In fact I've found the latter form can occur at a much faster rapid than the former. Like reading aloud slows down your reading speed, thinking out your words slows down your thought processes?

    2) Why is it there?
    Cause the monkey's placed it there.

    3) Is it your thoughts or is it just a translation of the thoughts?
    Both when I need to later articulate it... like typing up this post, I translate to that voice inside my head. You first get a mental glimpse of an indescribable "idea" then the voice takes over. It dictates what I which words I ought to use. However once the words get started... the words are a part of thought.

    4) Have you actively tried to think in some other form? (example: think in images)
    I thought thinking in images comes naturally like that voice inside your head?

    5) Do you think the voice limits your thinking efficiency?
    See 1). Yes I do. It's slower and it limits you to thoughts that can be described by words. What does snow tastes and feels like? You can picture it easily in your head but it's impossible to describe it fully with words.

    I believe there has been threads about this... but darn if I can find them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightning View Post
    4) Have you actively tried to think in some other form? (example: think in images)
    I thought thinking in images comes naturally like that voice inside your head?
    Yes. But the key word here is actively. Maybe if I go into the wilderness where you don't have words all around you, I might try to live without thinking in words. How long could I last? Is it possible to just let go... to think only in "ideas"..?

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    1) When you think, do you hear your own voice in your head?

    sometimes

    2) Why is it there?

    it is your conscious human speaking to your unconscious animal

    3) Is it your thoughts or is it just a translation of the thoughts?

    it's your relationship with yourself, so to speak

    4) Have you actively tried to think in some other form? (example: think in images)

    i mostly think in models and systems, thought words are only used intrapersonally, just as spoken words are used interpersonally

    5) Do you think the voice limits your thinking efficiency?

    n/e, see #4

    6) What would the advantages be if you could think in some other way?

    same as above

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    Didn't we have that Thread already? Odd, okay, anyways.

    1) When you think, do you hear your own voice in your head?
    Sometimes yes, sometimes no. It's either me, some odd Creatures (Demons, Reapers, Gargoyles, whatever) or Something completely different (like when I change it on "Purpose". So for Example it could suddenly be JD from Scrubs or a Game-Character or also People I know for real)

    2) Why is it there?
    Uh, because it gives me Advices? OR it can be me "thinking loud".

    3) Is it your thoughts or is it just a translation of the thoughts?
    It CAN be my Thoughts, when "thinking loud" but it can also be other Stuff.

    4) Have you actively tried to think in some other form? (example: think in images)
    Sure, Images, Videos, Music, Poems..whatever comes to Mind.

    5) Do you think the voice limits your thinking efficiency?
    What? Why should it limit it? The only Thing it does is being funny. Sometimes it really gives me odd Comments.

    6) What would the advantages be if you could think in some other way?
    Uh, I don't really have to answer this, since my Thinking works in many different Ways. Lucky me.

    7) Are there research about this? Give me some literature or links about this.
    Res...wait, are you trying to avoid googling yourself here? =P


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    When we think, we sub-vocalise.

    In other words our voice box works soundlessly as we think.

    This can be physically measured. And has.

    But the nicest thing is to turn off this sub-vocalisation because it also means turning off the voice in your head.

    When you turn off the voice in your head, you turn off your thoughts.

    And when you turn off your thoughts, everything remains the same except no thoughts.

    And fortunately, turning off your thoughts for a while leaves you relaxed and refreshed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolla View Post
    Some questions...

    1) When you think, do you hear your own voice in your head?

    2) Why is it there?

    3) Is it your thoughts or is it just a translation of the thoughts?

    4) Have you actively tried to think in some other form? (example: think in images)

    5) Do you think the voice limits your thinking efficiency?

    6) What would the advantages be if you could think in some other way?

    7) Are there research about this? Give me some literature or links about this.
    1) Yes.
    2) Because I want it to be there.
    3) It's a second persona, It's what's asking me the questions to get me further through my thoughts. In a sense, it's like a speaking pupper in my head, that may have a mind of it's own or may not. Depending on my needs at the time.
    4) I already have a mixed thinking style, "the voice in my head" is a visual projection of myself in a white room (if I'm lazy) or in a palace/restaurant/concert hall (if I'm not lazy) and he asks me to put him there.
    5) No, not at all. It slow downs my thinking, but it makes it clearer. What it breaks down is my real life actions, because in a sense my "motor" stops, when I actively participate in my mind.
    6) Imagining stuff is awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolla View Post
    Yes. But the key word here is actively. Maybe if I go into the wilderness where you don't have words all around you, I might try to live without thinking in words. How long could I last? Is it possible to just let go... to think only in "ideas"..?
    We humans use words to direct our thought process (i.e. idea development). Going from with words to without words would naturally mean a huge step backwards. A part of focusing our attention and enhancing recall is by writing down notes... whether it's on paper or in the mind.

    I suppose if you get a feral child or develop a society that's not language based you might get something different. In that case it'll be all feelings, images and sounds. I don't see how they by themselves would generate ideas. It'll be like a spark but no fire without the kindling.

    Have you tried actively not thinking in words? I tried imagining pictures, and what I got back in words was what's the purpose of this mindless exercise?

    No. You ask a question. You listen to the ping. You decode the ping. You get your answer. No input, no output. The unconscious/subconscious doesn't know how to direct itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by GargoylesLegacy View Post
    1) When you think, do you hear your own voice in your head?
    Sometimes yes, sometimes no. It's either me, some odd Creatures (Demons, Reapers, Gargoyles, whatever) or Something completely different (like when I change it on "Purpose". So for Example it could suddenly be JD from Scrubs or a Game-Character or also People I know for real)
    There's the distinction between the two isn't there? Distinguishing "the voice in your head" as being "your own" or "somebody/something" else's.

    Assume we ourselves imagined these extra voices. What possible reasons do we have of doing so? Personification of different view points so that it makes it easier for us to follow something from multiple perspectives? Thoughts?

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    I am quite impressed with all the different ways that you guys have answered the question, thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by nightning View Post
    No. You ask a question. You listen to the ping. You decode the ping. You get your answer. No input, no output. The unconscious/subconscious doesn't know how to direct itself.
    This is very well put. Sums it up nicely, and I think this was the answer I was looking for in the first place... I kinda see my mind as something more "defined" now.

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    Maybe you can use this for more information.

    Speech recognition is mainly done in the right hemisphere:
    Are you phonagnosic? | Eureka! Science News

    See my thread on INTPc about a research that was published in Science:
    Auditory verbal hallucinations predominantly activate the right inferior frontal area - INTP Central

    In my case it happens, very occasionally, as a protest to excessive thinking, just like the article suggests.
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    1) When you think, do you hear your own voice in your head?
    Yes, unless I make it another voice.
    2) Why is it there?
    Because I will it.

    3) Is it your thoughts or is it just a translation of the thoughts?
    Both, sometimes I'll just "understand" but still try and word it out in my head.

    4) Have you actively tried to think in some other form? (example: think in images)
    Yes, but not for the sake of doing it differently, it just happens. I do have to turn it on, but I always figured everyone does it that way.

    5) Do you think the voice limits your thinking efficiency?
    No.

    6) What would the advantages be if you could think in some other way?
    Less boredom, grander adventures, perhaps mental fortitude
    What a waste of life..

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