Did you interpret what I meant a little too literary lol?
Do you happen to run North Korea?
Of course I am not saying 6s cannot be into spiritual/metaphysical stuff. I was relating back to the holy idea of the truth that we seek.
Yeah, well, I think you used a lot of the rote 6 description from some of the more popular, but not all that great, enneagram theorists. 6s, frankly, are just as, if not more, philosophical, than 5s. We just don't trust our gut like 5s do. And, as such, as I said, we have a certain greater objectivity. 5s believe their own bullshit. 6s don't.
Maybe it is Ji vs Pi. I haven't spoken to many Ji 6s.
I was referring to the "pragmatic" side of 6s vs 5s, and the more "solely for truth's sake" side of 5s vs 6s, that you were pointing to.
It's more of a Ji vs Je thing.
I'd wager LIE then, if gamma
http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/what-s-my-mbti-type/33151-what-type-zarathustra.html
There's a whole thread in which this was pretty thoroughly hashed out a long time ago.
In fact, I addressed the topic in my very first post on the forum (which is quoted there).
Perhaps? I'm just gotten good at vibe typing Se types out.
I wouldn't give yourself that much credit.
As I said, I am high in Se.
Those with inferior Se don't tend to project this kind of vibe as strongly as you did here.
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And compared to most INTJs, I am highly extroverted.
As I say in that thread, I am right on the boundary of introvert and extrovert.
But I fall just on the introverted side of the introvert/extrovert divide.
There are a number of reasons why this is the case.
But I understand why people think me an extrovert.
I am an introvert who forced himself to extrovert.
Also, 6s are the most ambiverted enneagram type.
As such, INTJ 6s are more extroverted than the more common INTJ 5s.
But if you haven't looked much into it, there's not much to discuss really.
Oh, I've looked into it plenty.
I just talk in terms of MBTI, not Socionics.
I think the supposed conceptual divide between Socionics and MBTI/Beebe/others is false.
I think they're all based off the same source material (Jung), and the INTJs are INTps, ENTJs are LIEs, etc.
Well, to me, I often find that the criticism is simply unfounded and they are reacting out of superego frustration rather than whether it is actually constructive to do so.
Well, there's a complete difference between whether criticism is founded/unfounded and whether it is constructive to point out such criticisms (as I pointed to in my earlier post). Whether or not the ratio of criticism being founded to unfounded is inordinately skewed to the latter is going to come down to the individual involved. And, lastly, superego frustration can exist for perfectly sound reasons.
What I mean is that as an ego type, the things that tend to rub average to unhealthy 1s and 6s the wrong way and they need to call things out don't concern me.
Why is this?
What types of things do these tend to be?
I'll prove it wrong when/if there are logical loopholes to nitpick on.
No offense, but your repeated use of the term logical here seems retarded to me.
In practice, this terms tends to mean little more than "this thing I'm complaining about doesn't make sense to me/fit into my subjective logical schema (i.e., Pi)." The term's misuse has been a personal pet peeve of mine since college (although, for some reason, the amount to which its misuse seems to bother me on a regular basis seems to have decreased significantly since then).
And you don't like nitpickers?
I think the term "nitpicking" is inherently pejorative, pointing to the fact that what the person is complaining about is not really salient, important, or genuinely damaging to whatever the other person is arguing/talking about. As such, yes, I don't like nitpickers. They bring up irrelevant "logical holes" that really aren't worth being brought up.
Now, do I like genuinely good, worthwhile criticism/discussion? Absolutely.
I think logically nitpicking on someone who is seen as being inaccurate is quite common for a 5 since it's a way for us to relieve of anxiety in a similar manner like how 6s start questioning everything.
Yeah, it's just very weinerish.
At least when it fits what I described above.
It's like a 6 who goes way out of bounds/off the range while questioning things.
There's worthwhile critique/criticism, and non-worthwhile.
Fine, I doubt many 5s would openly admit such a thing. That's kind of like 6s rub me the wrong way though because sometimes I'm just rather left believing y'know, since I came up with that in order to relieve myself of anxiety.
Yeah, I get it.
That's why I said 6s are more committed to the truth, tho.
You guys are willing/wanting to believe your own bullshit in order to relieve your anxiety.
We, on the other hand, will not allow ourselves to simply believe something that is unfounded in order to make us feel better.
(although, frankly, in order to be healthy, that's kind of what we have to learn to do [i.e., move towards 9II [the gut/instinct/instrinsic])
Off topic, but for the record, [MENTION=5627]BlackCat[/MENTION] thinks you're an oddly beta-ish LIE too, just like LeaT. I have to say I concur.
Yeah, he said as much recently on my wall or in a rep.
I just don't get the reason for using Socionics-speak, when you can just say ENTJ (as he did, I believe).
I mean this discussion's been had a good amount (as in that thread I posted, et al).
The "beta-ish" side if probably related to my 6ness and/or Libraness.