Yes it does
How would you put it into words better?
I was going to add that the "craving for sensations" can also be attributed to Si, and to the self-preservation instinct (sp) which is strongly body-based. I've seen sp firsts become gluttonous when they were under stress and pressure. It can also be due to a weakness of sensing instead of having strong sensing, as was desribed in this
relationship article: "Both of them (EII and LIE) will try to counter this and to greedy satisfy their "sensory hunger" at each other's or at someone else's expense. To compensate for these deficits both EII and LIE require an "excess" in sensing functions – a sensory abundance, a full "storehouse" of experiences, provisions, care, pleasures and entertainment, from which they can draw by full handful for themselves. Feeling this deficiency, each will try to "intercept" and "overtake" a maximum of conveniences for himself."
Yeah well, I saw some MBTI descriptions on inferior functions and inferior Se was like that.
So I don't think that "craving for sensory experiences", like trying out new food, experimenting with drugs, or having many sexual partners is a hallmark of Se. In my opinion both Jung and MBTI and Socionics have gotten this wrong.
So instead of craving for sensations, what would you say is the hallmark of Se?
Like any MBTI or socionics writer she must have based it on characteristics of somebody she personally knew. It does mix in some 8-ness and Te-ness. May be that person was an LIE 8 so she has intermixed the traits. Back in those times when she came up with socionics there was nothing like enneagram or instincts known to her.
Another explanation is that Se was Aushra's Role function, so she herself experienced Se as "offensive" and infringing on her own Ne interests. This is how she described it. May be this description makes sense from point of view of ILE but other types won't see it in this way.
It's not actually offensive to me just seems exaggerated
It sounds weird that she'd define Se based on some person who only has it in superid.
How do you experience Se?
In the socionics version, I relate to this essence of it worded as "achieving an object of desire" really well. Guess this strongly resembles enneagram Id type which I am as well
Also the stuff about how Se is focused on this instead of just enjoying the situation, makes sense to me. In MBTI the SP stuff seems to be a bit more focused on just enjoying...
I'm not trying to say that I don't enjoy stuff, I actually enjoy the above. I just don't often sit munching my food and passively enjoying that or lie down in the shadow on the beach or whatever.
I prefer interaction in general just for the interaction itself as it is. Staying with the example, I still like the beach but not in that passive way.
Or another example, I actually saw this on a socionics site, the Se runner vs the Si runner, the Si runner enjoys the jogging, takes in the environment and whatnot, and the Se runner enjoys this instead:
"While the Se runner is likely to notice his surroundings and bodily experiences, they are less inclined to focus on how these sensations affect them internally; they may notice but place little importance on the beauty of their physical surroundings during the race, for instance. Instead, they are likely to be more attuned towards the energy and competitive aspect of the race itself, and also more inclined to physically push themselves towards the goal of victory, seeing their physical experience as less important than the goal or surrounding circumstances."
I think that puts it into words much better than I could.
Well so when I said the socionics Se definition is so one-sided I was actually surprised at how it "got" me. Even though it really just seems one part of Sensation and of Se (?). And actually the part about "seeing physical experience as less important", is almost not like S at all, right? So the other thing is this, I see it as not being totally "sensory" in the original sense of the word.
The other main thing I strongly relate to is taking the world "as is". Jung (and MBTI) talks about that in detail. I just don't fit the resulting stereotype in his book. Or maybe I just feel it's painted too negative lol. And again, this isn't hedonistic "sensory" as much, the taking the world objectively in an "as is" fashion.
Hm well and impulsivity, that too. OK, that's it for now
"Goal" is one specific event, action, or achievement that is evaluated (judged) to be so. Judgement is needed to give direction and motivation. However, in the EGO block the judging and perceiving functions are contrary to one another. For Se-SxE it's more difficult to stay focused than for Ti-SxE, which means that Se-SxE would also have more difficulty with following through with intentions.
OK say I want to take this seat here (and I go do it), is that a goal or something else? Do you think it involves Judging?
Because it only happens in words with her. She paints an image with words, but there was no real basis for it which later becomes evident. There is a disconnect between self-presentation and the actual person. She tries to present herself as tough and rowdy but when time comes to act decisively or make a quick decision she becomes anxious, stalls and postpones, tries to talk things over again, because she is actually judicious type not decisive type. That she tries to fake Se in words become evident. It's not unusual for EIIs to try to type themselves into Se types because their profiles depict them as overly sweet, kind, all accepting and all forgiving, which they feel doesn't describe them accurately.
So this about being a Decisive type (Se/Ni), it's not to do with Judgement functions?
