[ENTP] "Well, when you put it THAT way..." - Impressionable ENTPs?

[SpaghettiMonster]

I like to think I have a solid, logical understanding of the world. I like to think I can hold my own on debates and have a good - albeit somewhat fuzzy - understanding of my own views. But occasionally some whacko comes along, enticing me with their unfounded, radical, sometimes morally grey ideas and I can't help but say, "Well, when you put it that way..." This happens a lot especially in areas that I'm not too well-versed in. I can't test their facts. So if they present their arguments in a compelling and logically sound way, I can't help but believe them a little. They can never fully persuade me but for a split second, they can catch me off-guard and doubt my own opinions/moral integrity ("Wait, did I just admit to thinking child porn's okay?!").

Of course this process is entirely internal; outside I may still be arguing my point relentlessly. It's just a bit unsettling to think that someone can mould me like putty if they do it the right way... just because my mind is wondering, "What if?"

Anyone else?

 

[chegra]

We have decided to take away your nt status and give you an NF status.

You are official ENFP:

outgoing, social, disorganized, easily talked into doing silly things, spontaneous, wild and crazy, acts without thinking, good at getting people to have fun, pleasure seeking, irresponsible, physically affectionate, risk taker, thrill seeker, likely to have or want a tattoo, adventurous, unprepared, attention seeking, hyperactive, irrational, loves crowds, rule breaker, prone to losing things, seductive, easily distracted, open, revealing, comfortable in unfamiliar situations, attracted to strange things, non punctual, likes to stand out, likes to try new things, fun seeker, unconventional, energetic, impulsive, empathetic, dangerous, loving, attachment prone, prone to fantasy


J/K

 

[entropie]

Awesome, I'll read it l8r, gonna watch soccer now

 

[substitute]

I'm just very open minded and I don't like to reject things out of hand. Even if this idea I'm being sold is transparently shite, it might still contain a kernel of something that can be put to a better use, so it's still worth hearing it out. And if you make a habit of rejecting other people's ideas and heckling them, then they stop telling you them, which is a bad thing because other people telling me their ideas is probably what inspires up to half of my own ideas. I might take their thoughts in a totally different direction in order to make use of them.

I wouldn't find myself thinking "hey wait, did I just agree that child porn is okay??" but I might very well find myself saying "obviously child porn is not okay, but this guy's points might be worth considering because it could give me a new angle from which to understand why it isn't." And since I like to really know WHY things are good or bad, to have solid intellectual reasons for believing something to be good or bad, rather than just value judgements based on the way things make me feel, I'm always willing to entertain alternative points of view.

And then, my own point of view often ends up shifting slightly, though the only influence the other person had in that was just sparking off the line of thought that led to my eventual conclusion. Conclusions are always works in progress anyway.

 

[jenocyde]

Occasionally, when someone is talking about something foreign to me, I get lost in Ne and drift with them and their thought process. But later on when I'm alone, I snap out of it and Ti the shit out of it and relax secure in the knowledge that I will never be sipping on that kool aid.

 

[Synarch]

Occasionally, when someone is talking about something foreign to me, I get lost in Ne and drift with them and their thought process. But later on when I'm alone, I snap out of it and Ti the shit out of it and relax secure in the knowledge that I will never be sipping on that kool aid.

Exactly. Kool aid is for followers. I don't think ENTP's are followers. Ever. Of anyone.

 

[BlahBlahNounBlah]

Unless an argument is blatant garbage, I'll always consider it before throwing it away. But if there's a worthy little nugget in there, I'll keep it in my pocket and keep pulling it out to evaluate it. I never accept anything without thorough analysis. Until the evaluation period is over, I remain unconvinced.


Although I think anything is possible, I still must be convinced in a logical, rational way. When anyone seems too emotionally invested in an opinion (or worse: too feverish or passionate about convincing me), my red flag goes up.


I'm probably open compared to Js and other NTs but closed compared to NFs.

 

[Kasper]

Yes, but it’s not about believing what someone else is saying or being persuaded by them, it’s about seeing the logic in what’s being said and questioning my own beliefs. I don’t find it unsettling but it does become a little annoying that I can’t seem to hold strong opinions on anything. There’s always more questions that can be asked, different views to consider and further clarification that can be gained.

Thing is it’s pretty much unheard of that I’ll make up my mind so concretely that I have no room to listen to other points of views and shift my position when I see better logic, like you said this is internal process, externally I will usually continue to debate the topic from my original stance while probing deeper to get the other person to fully explain where they’re coming from and only conceding points that are clearly more sound logically.

Those who know me consider me somewhat argumentative in this respect but know that I’ll always go away and think about what has been said and if there is merit in the other pov I will change my stance.

 

[jenocyde]

I rarely take a definitive stance on anything, but once my mind is made up, it's done. I will have thoroughly vetted all the logic by that point. I'll listen and discuss, but my viewpoints will always be my own.

If it's something that I don't care about, I'll probably never make up my mind about it and will just continue to gather knowledge with no concrete solution.

 

[CJ99]

I come across as very close minded apparently but i don't think am as i consider all angles.

I understand what the OP means bout being convinced by at first by an arguement that just sounds logical though i will reject it as soon as i've thought it through pretty much straight after the conversation most times.

One thing i admit i can be very close minded about at times is religion but since i'm the atheistic agnostic in a house with parents who are devout catholic its often an all or no thing if i want to get out the religious stuff.

 

[BlahBlahNounBlah]

I rarely take a definitive stance on anything, but once my mind is made up, it's done. I will have thoroughly vetted all the logic by that point. I'll listen and discuss, but my viewpoints will always be my own.

If it's something that I don't care about, I'll probably never make up my mind about it and will just continue to gather knowledge with no concrete solution.

It's almost like an ENTP door-slam (look at it from the other side of the door). It takes a while, but the view can eventually become "locked in."


Everything else is just hanging out in the hallway.

 

[digesthisickness]

i'm convinced that my first thought upon being born was "you're saying i came out of that? pfft. prove it."

 

[velocity]

ok you've convinced me. woo!

 

[velocity]

i think..

 

[velocity]

now i'm just a tad confused..

 

[velocity]

whimper

 

[velocity]

so the church of the spaghetti monster is looking for new converts eh..? well you can most definitely have mine!

 

[Qre:us]

i'm convinced that my first thought upon being born was "you're saying i came out of that? pfft. prove it."

Yup, pretty much me. I'm very NON-IMPRESSIONABLE.

I will soak it up like a sponge, everything I gather, and file away those that really piqued my interest, to investigate further on my own, or ask them to expound, and in my head, I may truly even consider it, if it just "clicks", but, there's always that skepticism, i.e., I won't truly consider it until and unless I have exhausted all possible holes (pun to the quote above), that I could think of for that X, therein.

I will for the sake of it, take a position that I may actually personally disagree with, and fight FOR it to the death (this secures my understanding of my own side that I do agree with). I'm very stubborn in debates/arguments, to lax "my" side ("my" being whatever side I've chosen to argue). Not because I don't want to be proven wrong...but BECAUSE I want to be proven wrong. That's how I truly learn a concept. To exercise, through debate, my thinking on the topic, and ALL its possible angles, and ask the other to tear it apart (I'm silently begging, please). And, I will justify, justify, my side to the bitter end, if and ONLY if, logic still holds, because, if I feel there's a justification for "my" side, then, there's a 'hole' for the other........

And, vice versa, as I get to attack, through dialogue, every possible hole/argument against my side, by holding on as strong as I do. If I give up my position too fast, I feel like I only just skimmed the issue. I need to rip it, the skin from the flesh, the flesh from the bones, the bones from the joints, the joint from the frame, the frame breaking to reveal the core of the truth/understanding. And, step by step, systematically so. Only then am I satisfied. (people, most times, interpret this as a negative trait, because I just keep coming, and coming at an issue, when it's really the idea I'm chasing with a vigor, not the person..meh)

And, in this way, I feel I have learned.

Although, I get impressionable about ideas for action, 'wanna do this? Try that? Wouldn't it be cool if we...?'
But, ideas for mental deliberation, are hard to impress upon me unless you've (the other side) gone through the rigors and the ringer, of tearing that idea apart, and the core is still elemental. Only then will I accept.

 

[Gamine]

I never think to myself "I know everything." There is always something missing, waiting to be understood. Even if I have all the facts, I still do not have a truly objective perspective on the meanings and significance of the facts. So I am always left hungry for more.

Stay hungry, stay foolish.

 

[527468]

I like to think I have a solid, logical understanding of the world. I like to think I can hold my own on debates and have a good - albeit somewhat fuzzy - understanding of my own views. But occasionally some whacko comes along, enticing me with their unfounded, radical, sometimes morally grey ideas and I can't help but say, "Well, when you put it that way..." This happens a lot especially in areas that I'm not too well-versed in. I can't test their facts. So if they present their arguments in a compelling and logically sound way, I can't help but believe them a little. They can never fully persuade me but for a split second, they can catch me off-guard and doubt my own opinions/moral integrity ("Wait, did I just admit to thinking child porn's okay?!").

Of course this process is entirely internal; outside I may still be arguing my point relentlessly. It's just a bit unsettling to think that someone can mould me like putty if they do it the right way... just because my mind is wondering, "What if?"

Anyone else?

This sounds exactly like Ne haha. Good job. (knee-ha-ha)