BlackDog
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- Sep 6, 2013
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- MBTI Type
- NiTe
- Enneagram
- 9w8
- Instinctual Variant
- so/sx
I'm reasonably sure that I'm 8w7, and I'm wondering if integration to 2 (and disintegration to 5) represent true changes in character, or just adjustment to different outside conditions.
Here's my reasoning: When I see I can help someone because I am in a way better position than them, I usually want to. That's integration to two on a small scale, right?
When I am in a way worse position than someone, I 'dig in' and become a lot more thoughtful and pensive, figuring out ways to escape the situation or make peace with them even if it's humiliating, or whatever. And I try to study the situation and learn about the other person; it was in one of those phases that I got into typology, because I didn't understand enough about what other people wanted and how they thought. That's disintegration to 5 on a small scale, right?
So both of those two examples are situational; I might be 'twoish' with respect to one situation, and 'fivish' with respect to another, simultaneously.
Isn't it the same on a larger scale? If I was 'on top of the world', wouldn't I appear really twoish because I could afford to be magnanimous all the time?
And conversely, if I was 'caged' across every situation, like if I was a prisoner of war or something, wouldn't I subside into 'fivish disintegration' and study also across the board?
And then if the situation changed, so would my behavior.
Is it fair to say that integration and disintegration don't represent internal change so much as external change?
Here's my reasoning: When I see I can help someone because I am in a way better position than them, I usually want to. That's integration to two on a small scale, right?
When I am in a way worse position than someone, I 'dig in' and become a lot more thoughtful and pensive, figuring out ways to escape the situation or make peace with them even if it's humiliating, or whatever. And I try to study the situation and learn about the other person; it was in one of those phases that I got into typology, because I didn't understand enough about what other people wanted and how they thought. That's disintegration to 5 on a small scale, right?
So both of those two examples are situational; I might be 'twoish' with respect to one situation, and 'fivish' with respect to another, simultaneously.
Isn't it the same on a larger scale? If I was 'on top of the world', wouldn't I appear really twoish because I could afford to be magnanimous all the time?
And conversely, if I was 'caged' across every situation, like if I was a prisoner of war or something, wouldn't I subside into 'fivish disintegration' and study also across the board?
And then if the situation changed, so would my behavior.
Is it fair to say that integration and disintegration don't represent internal change so much as external change?