TYPE ME? Kanra is confused

[Kanra Jest]

Long time coming. Brace yourself, I talk a lot

As for ENTP and INTP. While I lack Se awareness, the factor that sticks out to me as inferior Si and dominant Ne is that I'm constantly needing external stimulation. I'm always texting, drawing, listening to music, watching constant youtube videos, and even listening to asmr and music to sleep. I'm always working on many idea project I have for youtube, I have a HUGE list of ideas and I want to get them all out for EVERYONE to see and that potentiality can be ... exciting. Then with inferior Si I am horrible with daily routines, have bad memory, most my past is a blur, and also when I've been under the influence I can get very paranoid about my body and be terrified I'm gonna die or something so I can't drink or smoke too much from body sensitivity. It's like I'm attached to my body, yet I'm also very detached otherwise because I don't pay much attention to health. I also probably play with the social atmosphere a bit too much as people's minds and reactions fascinate me.

Enneagram 5:

-I have a past of isolating, and I'm still coming out of it. Reason being I got very depressed and never really totally got out of it. ISOLATION is like a big indicator I suppose, but ... I've been depressed. Had depression many many years of my life.
-Lower energy normally. Hello depression.
-I can speak very monotone sometimes and calm and I have a history of researching things. Sometimes deeply. I feel like a robot sometimes.
-I can be hyper focused on my goals. Which is usually one or two things. To the point of forgetting about other things. If I'm really on a roll, anyway. Or if I'm trying to solve a problem. But then I get stressed out if I do it for too long because I desparately start wanting something new.
-I love information. Knoweldge. And digging to find the truth.
-I can type long detailed walls of texts sometimes. If I'm not lazy. I type more than most people, really. Too much to say. And probably sound Ti.

Enneagram 7:

-I have fairly brief bursts of high energy.
-Despite sometimes speaking monotone, my voice is otherwise very fluid and I've taken up some voice acting as a result. It can be higher, deeper, middle ground, accented, not accented, smooth and sarcastic, yet also very theatrical to entertain others sometimes, and I can voice alot of anime characters and even a few joker's. It can spike at times if I'm excited and energetic about new fun ideas I have that I could impliment but after which can go back to the state I was before.
-I can plan well only if it's long distance and related to my goals, but I'm terrible with details and outside of that, in the middle I just react and don't plan at all. I can react super fast and quick on instinct. In videogames I've overwhelmed other players even levels ahead of me because I was too quick thinking. Prefering the approach to flat out overwhelming them.
-I can't stick to one thing very well at all. I bounce around because I get bored. I can't finish games that drag on too long, I can't finish TV shows that have multiple seasons. So I often just watch videos of it if I'm interested instead, or I read up on it to get a quick overview or watch a review. Any time I make characters in character creation (mmos) I switch around the attires and stuff cuz I get bored with how it normally is.
-I share infromation I learn freely. Sometimes I blab too much. Too open.
-Jack of all trades. Master of none.

Problem:

Enneagram 7 seems very active and outgoing and high energy and all that bullcrap. I'm not. I'm not constant high energy, just more in bursts, usually with fun ideas I've got, but I am sociable and funny and I do like doing stuff. When depression doesn't prevent me from it. I don't do a whole bunch of stuff. In fact, I've been mostly alone most my life only going out when friends wanted me to... just depressed. But lately, for half a year now, I've been going out more with a friend, and talking to neighbors and stuff and felt alot more lively from it. Charged. When I'm alone I end up getting hateful after a while...

With Enneagram 5 well, when you're depressed wasting away most of your life and humoring yourself with constant stimulation without needing direct human contact alot then it can appear 5.... maybe it is. Or maybe not. Stimulation like constant texting one person, maybe another, watching videos and listening to music constantly.

Brings me to 4, which I have a huge deep inner emotional world. But daily I'm not in touch with it really, until I listen to the right music that reminds me I have it and I get pulled back into it. Into fantasies. I was a writer, artist, even tried drawing manga, as I've always had created worlds floating around in my head. In love I can be quite the romantic but I rarely actually felt love and I'm generally terrified of commitment. I'm ambitious like a 3 and judge myself based off my successes. Whether positive or negative, I am my art, and I wanna be something serious in the world. And I will. And I will do it my way.

Brings me to 9 and 8. Well, one the one hand I'm very chill usually not aggressive really(I keep hearing everyone say 9 as super slow to anger till they finally erupt, even with 9w8 they avoid and suppress anger). But on the other hand I'm very familiar with my anger and it's natural for me, I detest having to suppress it a bunch. It's a natural thing that we all have and we must accept it, just learn to not let it get out of hand. And some things aren't worth getting angry over. And I'm not easily offended at all. But I have been possessive of those dear to me, and occasionally have been controlling in subtle ways(unhealthier), but overall when healthier I'm pretty much chill and friendly and anyone pretty much thinks I'm really nice and funny in a ironic witty way. I have a very strong sense of Justice in the few values I possess. (outside of that i don't have a clear set of values, honestly) I can't watch murder mysteries because of the murderers killing for such stupid reasons and it angers me. I hate that stuff like that can exist in the world, and really I'd rather just avoid and never watch it. So I don't. Therefore I don't have to feel anything about it. But at the same time I'm a go with the flow person and let others lead if they're competent in that area and I'm not, or I'm just in my head spaced out and not really there. I'm not the type to smash through and lead on, not a blunt leader, rather I'd be the one to influence others less directly. If I'm a leader I want it to be of Ideas and having others help manifest them, and teach philosophically and psychologically what I know. If I'm yelled at and argued with though, I'm likely to yell back out of self defense because I don't want to take any shit. I grew up getting yelled at by my grandmother(unhealthy ISFJ?) who raised me, and then my dad(ESTJ 836) later on, so I got use to bickering for stupid reasons. I'll also debate something even when it's becoming an argument because the other person is butthurt, to me the TRUTH is more important than the peace. And I'm not doing it out of anger so much as trying to make them understand that whatever they're so personally offended about it ridiculous. I value peace a lot too because it's stressful and I don't get energized from fighting, it stresses me out, but I'm very defensive of my territory. I use to have serious anger issues when I was a little kid, but nowadays I've learned to conceal it for the most part, I only show it in my voice and eyes if anything now. It's gotten to the point that I don't let myself show it around anyone really unless I'm by myself. Unless the other is yelling then because I hate it when people yell. I think arguments and debates should all be handled with rationality not...intimidation. Intimidation seems more primitive. Whatever I developed was to survive. Outside of that though, I'm just chill, sarcastic, poised, and as everyone says in daily life, "nice" despite the fact I'm a smart alec and can get randomly distant with people. Off and on type person.

I act pretty positive in person, always trying to make a situation lighter, making light of serious things to cope. But outside of that, eh, I also can be into dark and somewhat morbid things as well but I kinda just go back and forth. I made a creepy pasta, and I like gothic asthetics.

If I read enneagram tritype definitions 359 and 478 fit me a lot.

Sx:

I'm intense, on or off again, need my stimulation, romance or other things. Intense eyes. Intense interests. Fascinations. I'm all in or not at all. Sometimes back and forth like a yo-yo.

Sp:

I've built a wall of protection for myself following trauma. I use to just dive in but now I can't. Been a problem in relationships. My, uh, "fortress" as they call it.

So:

The views of society and becoming something means a lot to me. The way I speak and act can be calculated. My image matters. But that can also blur with 4 and 3. I wanna do something big, maybe if I can't change the world, I can at least cause positive impacts on many people's lives. I love revolutionary characters. Pain in Naruto, V from V for vendette, Ect. Viva la revolution~

 

[Kanra Jest]

Thanks guys. Appreciate it.

 

[cacaia]

Mm...I see a lot of T preference and definitely P. Also, there's a sense you might be extroverted, too... ENTP sounds about correct to me, though I am by no means an expert.

 

[Kanra Jest]

Thanks. Glad someone responded at least.

 

[wildmoon]

I'm an INTP and my sister is a very classic ENTP, so sometimes I notice differences between us that seem like type differences.

For example, one thing that I do (that annoys me sometimes and I hope it doesn't annoy others) is that I'll state random facts or start talking about things that I've read. But it's not just a small quirk, I do it ALL THE TIME. And like... my sister is able to communicate without doing this. So I can only guess that that's because Ti isn't such a defining feature for her. You mentioned that you share information you learn freely, which is sort of what I do.

One thing my sister does that is a stereotypical ENTP thing is that she loves pranks. And she has that characteristic cheeky smile that you'll see on many ENTP faces. And she can lie... like, really, she can lie, lie, lie. Just for the heck of it. Best and most pathological liar that I know. This could just be unique to her but I see a disturbing amount of ENTPs discussing this ability, lol. When you say you 'play with the social atmosphere a bit too much as people's minds and reactions fascinate me', that definitely sounds like an ENTP thing.

Also her Fe is a bit more prominent than mine, to the point where I think it's a bit of a disadvantage for her. She hurts herself by caring so much about other people. (Which sounds hugely contradictory to the previous point and I can't explain it either...) I think in ENTPs Fe probably manifests a bit earlier and in different ways to an INTP.

The difficulty with figuring out whether your Ne is dom or aux is that Ne is such a huge deal for both types. I easily love Ne the best even though my dominant is Ti. I think your Ne and Ti are probably pretty balanced, but I would guess that you're most likely an ENTP who happens to have strong Ti.

 

[RadicalDoubt]

Wow this is really tough because you've provided a lot of information, yet you haven't really expressed your motivations in a way that really gives enough insight to peg you as a type in the ennea (no offence). Nonetheless, I think there is enough information to narrow things down a little bit. I've dispersed a couple of questions in here I think might be helpful (and also to confirm that the conclusions I'm making aren't off the beaten path).

I think the first thing worth mentioning is that this seems pretty strongly ENTP. Based on function dynamics, Ne dom sounds like a really good fit for you, and your explanation of Ne dom - Si inferior ect almost fits ENxP as textbook. I waffled about ENFP vs ENTP a little bit just because the Ne was most obvious, but I'm pretty sure I've seen you elsewhere around this forum and see no reason to doubt your Ti. You come across ambiverted, ENTP-Ti is probably quite a good fit. Thus, my focus is going to stick mostly to enneagram (that's the system I seem to be stronger in at the moment anyhow).

Enneagram 5:

-I have a past of isolating, and I'm still coming out of it. Reason being I got very depressed and never really totally got out of it. ISOLATION is like a big indicator I suppose, but ... I've been depressed. Had depression many many years of my life.
-Lower energy normally. Hello depression.
-I can speak very monotone sometimes and calm and I have a history of researching things. Sometimes deeply. I feel like a robot sometimes.
-I can be hyper focused on my goals. Which is usually one or two things. To the point of forgetting about other things. If I'm really on a roll, anyway. Or if I'm trying to solve a problem. But then I get stressed out if I do it for too long because I desparately start wanting something new.
-I love information. Knoweldge. And digging to find the truth.
-I can type long detailed walls of texts sometimes. If I'm not lazy. I type more than most people, really. Too much to say. And probably sound Ti.

You're probably right with your first couple of bullets being depression related; There's bits and pieces here that sound 5-ish, but in a way that might just relate to competency influence than anything else. Also your goal hyper focus (while incredibly relatable hahaha) sounds very typical of low Si. Lots of people love knowledge as a whole, but the way you describe it sounds particularly Ne.

Q1) What do you find attractive about research and knowledge in particular?

Enneagram 7:

-I have fairly brief bursts of high energy.
-Despite sometimes speaking monotone, my voice is otherwise very fluid and I've taken up some voice acting as a result. It can be higher, deeper, middle ground, accented, not accented, smooth and sarcastic, yet also very theatrical to entertain others sometimes, and I can voice alot of anime characters and even a few joker's. It can spike at times if I'm excited and energetic about new fun ideas I have that I could impliment but after which can go back to the state I was before.
-I can plan well only if it's long distance and related to my goals, but I'm terrible with details and outside of that, in the middle I just react and don't plan at all. I can react super fast and quick on instinct. In videogames I've overwhelmed other players even levels ahead of me because I was too quick thinking. Prefering the approach to flat out overwhelming them.
-I can't stick to one thing very well at all. I bounce around because I get bored. I can't finish games that drag on too long, I can't finish TV shows that have multiple seasons. So I often just watch videos of it if I'm interested instead, or I read up on it to get a quick overview or watch a review. Any time I make characters in character creation (mmos) I switch around the attires and stuff cuz I get bored with how it normally is.
-I share infromation I learn freely. Sometimes I blab too much. Too open.
-Jack of all trades. Master of none.

Despite this being far more Ne in nature than 7, I'm pretty sure this pushes at least for not 5 core. A specifically adaptable aproach to things, even with dom Ne, is not 5 in nature, being that 5 is the type to overthink and overplan and then do nothing rather than work on their feet. Jack of all trades is also more stereotypically not 5, as 5 tends to gear itself towards "becoming the master" rather than "becoming good enough at a lot of things to adapt in many situations." Again, not super definitive.

Problem:

Enneagram 7 seems very active and outgoing and high energy and all that bullcrap. I'm not. I'm not constant high energy, just more in bursts, usually with fun ideas I've got, but I am sociable and funny and I do like doing stuff. When depression doesn't prevent me from it. I don't do a whole bunch of stuff. In fact, I've been mostly alone most my life only going out when friends wanted me to... just depressed. But lately, for half a year now, I've been going out more with a friend, and talking to neighbors and stuff and felt alot more lively from it. Charged. When I'm alone I end up getting hateful after a while...

Another point for E over I. sp 7 is a lot less high energy/outgoing and a bit more internalized, which might be worth considering.

With Enneagram 5 well, when you're depressed wasting away most of your life and humoring yourself with constant stimulation without needing direct human contact alot then it can appear 5.... maybe it is. Or maybe not. Stimulation like constant texting one person, maybe another, watching videos and listening to music constantly.

Ti tends to skew towards looking like enneagram 5 even when it's not, so that might play a role too if I'm on the right path with this q. The fact that you default towards stimulation may prove me wrong though.

Brings me to 4, which I have a huge deep inner emotional world. But daily I'm not in touch with it really, until I listen to the right music that reminds me I have it and I get pulled back into it. Into fantasies. I was a writer, artist, even tried drawing manga, as I've always had created worlds floating around in my head. In love I can be quite the romantic but I rarely actually felt love and I'm generally terrified of commitment. I'm ambitious like a 3 and judge myself based off my successes. Whether positive or negative, I am my art, and I wanna be something serious in the world. And I will. And I will do it my way.

Probably 4w3 and definitely not soc blind, but I'm really not getting much from this. Lots of this generally sound Ne-esque again, I guess I'll ask some questions.

Q2) Can you elaborate on your inner emotionality if possible? You don't have to be super detailic if that's problematic.
Q3) What are you willing to give up to reach your goals or your ideals (including your ideal self if you have one)?
Q4) If you didn't answer this in 2, how do you deal with emotions generally and how would you gauge your awareness of them? At your worst (and outside of depression if possible) are you excessively resistant to your emotions and desires or overly yielding to them?

Brings me to 9 and 8. Well, one the one hand I'm very chill usually not aggressive really(I keep hearing everyone say 9 as super slow to anger till they finally erupt, even with 9w8 they avoid and suppress anger). But on the other hand I'm very familiar with my anger and it's natural for me, I detest having to suppress it a bunch. It's a natural thing that we all have and we must accept it, just learn to not let it get out of hand. And some things aren't worth getting angry over. And I'm not easily offended at all. But I have been possessive of those dear to me, and occasionally have been controlling in subtle ways(unhealthier), but overall when healthier I'm pretty much chill and friendly and anyone pretty much thinks I'm really nice and funny in a ironic witty way. I have a very strong sense of Justice in the few values I possess. (outside of that i don't have a clear set of values, honestly) I can't watch murder mysteries because of the murderers killing for such stupid reasons and it angers me. I hate that stuff like that can exist in the world, and really I'd rather just avoid and never watch it. So I don't. Therefore I don't have to feel anything about it. But at the same time I'm a go with the flow person and let others lead if they're competent in that area and I'm not, or I'm just in my head spaced out and not really there. I'm not the type to smash through and lead on, not a blunt leader, rather I'd be the one to influence others less directly. If I'm a leader I want it to be of Ideas and having others help manifest them, and teach philosophically and psychologically what I know. If I'm yelled at and argued with though, I'm likely to yell back out of self defense because I don't want to take any shit. I grew up getting yelled at by my grandmother(unhealthy ISFJ?) who raised me, and then my dad(ESTJ 836) later on, so I got use to bickering for stupid reasons. I'll also debate something even when it's becoming an argument because the other person is butthurt, to me the TRUTH is more important than the peace. And I'm not doing it out of anger so much as trying to make them understand that whatever they're so personally offended about it ridiculous. I value peace a lot too because it's stressful and I don't get energized from fighting, it stresses me out, but I'm very defensive of my territory. I use to have serious anger issues when I was a little kid, but nowadays I've learned to conceal it for the most part, I only show it in my voice and eyes if anything now. It's gotten to the point that I don't let myself show it around anyone really unless I'm by myself. Unless the other is yelling then because I hate it when people yell. I think arguments and debates should all be handled with rationality not...intimidation. Intimidation seems more primitive. Whatever I developed was to survive. Outside of that though, I'm just chill, sarcastic, poised, and as everyone says in daily life, "nice" despite the fact I'm a smart alec and can get randomly distant with people. Off and on type person.

Interesting, some of this sounds superego-ish in motivation if I'm reading right (126). Could also be competency to some degree, since there is a focus on being "rational" and a subtle judgement towards those lacking control... Nonetheless, some of the stuff I bolded kind of pushes for "not 8," although maybe it's plausible since you seem like you might be gut last. This in general sounds like it could be 9w8, perhaps with expansive influence, which sort of pushes towards 7 influence.

Q5) Outside of the heavy value orientation, what made you rule out 1 just out of curiosity (9 seems to work but I thought I'd ask anyways)?

I act pretty positive in person, always trying to make a situation lighter, making light of serious things to cope.

It's worth noting that this is a really common positive outlook defense mechanism.

If I read enneagram tritype definitions 359 and 478 fit me a lot.

Tritype descriptions are trash but that's still a big gap.

Q6) What about these types in general seem to stick out to you as "you?"

Sx:

I'm intense, on or off again, need my stimulation, romance or other things. Intense eyes. Intense interests. Fascinations. I'm all in or not at all. Sometimes back and forth like a yo-yo.

Sp:

I've built a wall of protection for myself following trauma. I use to just dive in but now I can't. Been a problem in relationships. My, uh, "fortress" as they call it.

So:

The views of society and becoming something means a lot to me. The way I speak and act can be calculated. My image matters. But that can also blur with 4 and 3. I wanna do something big, maybe if I can't change the world, I can at least cause positive impacts on many people's lives. I love revolutionary characters. Pain in Naruto, V from V for vendette, Ect. Viva la revolution~

Not soc blind probably, but also I'm not getting much like this. There's definitely an outwards focus of sorts, too much for a soc blind I think. Right now my guess-timate is so/sp or so/sx, but that probably doesn't mean much until I know your core type.

Edit: I just read your profile, didn't notice you were currently typed as sx/sp... If I'm way off on some of my explanations/generalizations, please let me know.

Q7) How do you relate to the core motivations of types 7, 3, 4, and 9? You can add 5 if you still think it's a possibility not worth ruling out for core.
Q8) Describe your relationship to enneagram 6.
Q9) Are you familiar with object relations/harmonics of the enneagram? This is really breif if you're not: Enneagram Harmonics . Does anything here stand out that's worth noting? I'm fairly certain that you have some positive outlook and possibly competency/withdrawn influence, but pegging down where is somewhat challenging.

I apologize, I asked a lot of questions. If you can't answer them all in super explicit detail, that's understandable and also I don't expect that lol.

 

[Kanra Jest]

I'm an INTP and my sister is a very classic ENTP, so sometimes I notice differences between us that seem like type differences.

For example, one thing that I do (that annoys me sometimes and I hope it doesn't annoy others) is that I'll state random facts or start talking about things that I've read. But it's not just a small quirk, I do it ALL THE TIME. And like... my sister is able to communicate without doing this. So I can only guess that that's because Ti isn't such a defining feature for her. You mentioned that you share information you learn freely, which is sort of what I do.

One thing my sister does that is a stereotypical ENTP thing is that she loves pranks. And she has that characteristic cheeky smile that you'll see on many ENTP faces. And she can lie... like, really, she can lie, lie, lie. Just for the heck of it. Best and most pathological liar that I know. This could just be unique to her but I see a disturbing amount of ENTPs discussing this ability, lol. When you say you 'play with the social atmosphere a bit too much as people's minds and reactions fascinate me', that definitely sounds like an ENTP thing.

Also her Fe is a bit more prominent than mine, to the point where I think it's a bit of a disadvantage for her. She hurts herself by caring so much about other people. (Which sounds hugely contradictory to the previous point and I can't explain it either...) I think in ENTPs Fe probably manifests a bit earlier and in different ways to an INTP.

The difficulty with figuring out whether your Ne is dom or aux is that Ne is such a huge deal for both types. I easily love Ne the best even though my dominant is Ti. I think your Ne and Ti are probably pretty balanced, but I would guess that you're most likely an ENTP who happens to have strong Ti.

Isn't Ne about being more open with information or thoughts? I mean, I've heard of INTP's being more private and hard to know. And I also knew an INTP who had his own theories but didn't share them. What's the point of having theories in your head if you never share them? Ideas should be made manifest in some way

I've been noted on my smirk many times though. Lol. Mischevious. And I've played jokes on my grandmother when I was young, like poking her in the back at the store and turning opposite directions from where she was looking, as well as sneaking around the house when I wasn't suppose to be awake. But I don't do much actual pranks. Like I'm nervous I'll cause conflict.

As for lying, I don't like to do that because I'll have to keep track of all the lies and I have bad memory so that'd be disadvantageous to me. But I will withhold information whenever convenient or say things in ways to elicit the response I want. I find ways around it. And an "issue" about me is that I have been manipulative before. Nor seeing anything wrong with it if it doesn't hurt anyone. But I have gotten too close to people and been hurt before plenty of times so it's smarter. And I want to become a gamer entertainer I believe Fe reasons, to entertain them and be theatrical. To have a reactive feedback audience.

Caring is a disadvantage, and well, more so my openness and sometimes caring has screwed me over I'll admit. ENTP with strong Ti has always been my guess. At least in the last couple years.

 

[Kanra Jest]

Wow this is really tough because you've provided a lot of information, yet you haven't really expressed your motivations in a way that really gives enough insight to peg you as a type in the ennea (no offence). Nonetheless, I think there is enough information to narrow things down a little bit. I've dispersed a couple of questions in here I think might be helpful (and also to confirm that the conclusions I'm making aren't off the beaten path).

I think the first thing worth mentioning is that this seems pretty strongly ENTP. Based on function dynamics, Ne dom sounds like a really good fit for you, and your explanation of Ne dom - Si inferior ect almost fits ENxP as textbook. I waffled about ENFP vs ENTP a little bit just because the Ne was most obvious, but I'm pretty sure I've seen you elsewhere around this forum and see no reason to doubt your Ti. You come across ambiverted, ENTP-Ti is probably quite a good fit. Thus, my focus is going to stick mostly to enneagram (that's the system I seem to be stronger in at the moment anyhow).

You're probably right with your first couple of bullets being depression related; There's bits and pieces here that sound 5-ish, but in a way that might just relate to competency influence than anything else. Also your goal hyper focus (while incredibly relatable hahaha) sounds very typical of low Si. Lots of people love knowledge as a whole, but the way you describe it sounds particularly Ne.

Q1) What do you find attractive about research and knowledge in particular?

Despite this being far more Ne in nature than 7, I'm pretty sure this pushes at least for not 5 core. A specifically adaptable aproach to things, even with dom Ne, is not 5 in nature, being that 5 is the type to overthink and overplan and then do nothing rather than work on their feet. Jack of all trades is also more stereotypically not 5, as 5 tends to gear itself towards "becoming the master" rather than "becoming good enough at a lot of things to adapt in many situations." Again, not super definitive.

Another point for E over I. sp 7 is a lot less high energy/outgoing and a bit more internalized, which might be worth considering.

Ti tends to skew towards looking like enneagram 5 even when it's not, so that might play a role too if I'm on the right path with this q. The fact that you default towards stimulation may prove me wrong though.

Probably 4w3 and definitely not soc blind, but I'm really not getting much from this. Lots of this generally sound Ne-esque again, I guess I'll ask some questions.

Q2) Can you elaborate on your inner emotionality if possible? You don't have to be super detailic if that's problematic.
Q3) What are you willing to give up to reach your goals or your ideals (including your ideal self if you have one)?
Q4) If you didn't answer this in 2, how do you deal with emotions generally and how would you gauge your awareness of them? At your worst (and outside of depression if possible) are you excessively resistant to your emotions and desires or overly yielding to them?

Interesting, some of this sounds superego-ish in motivation if I'm reading right (126). Could also be competency to some degree, since there is a focus on being "rational" and a subtle judgement towards those lacking control... Nonetheless, some of the stuff I bolded kind of pushes for "not 8," although maybe it's plausible since you seem like you might be gut last. This in general sounds like it could be 9w8, perhaps with expansive influence, which sort of pushes towards 7 influence.

Q5) Outside of the heavy value orientation, what made you rule out 1 just out of curiosity (9 seems to work but I thought I'd ask anyways)?

It's worth noting that this is a really common positive outlook defense mechanism.

Tritype descriptions are trash but that's still a big gap.

Q6) What about these types in general seem to stick out to you as "you?"

Not soc blind probably, but also I'm not getting much like this. There's definitely an outwards focus of sorts, too much for a soc blind I think. Right now my guess-timate is so/sp or so/sx, but that probably doesn't mean much until I know your core type.

Edit: I just read your profile, didn't notice you were currently typed as sx/sp... If I'm way off on some of my explanations/generalizations, please let me know.

Q7) How do you relate to the core motivations of types 7, 3, 4, and 9? You can add 5 if you still think it's a possibility not worth ruling out for core.
Q8) Describe your relationship to enneagram 6.
Q9) Are you familiar with object relations/harmonics of the enneagram? This is really breif if you're not: Enneagram Harmonics . Does anything here stand out that's worth noting? I'm fairly certain that you have some positive outlook and possibly competency/withdrawn influence, but pegging down where is somewhat challenging.

I apologize, I asked a lot of questions. If you can't answer them all in super explicit detail, that's understandable and also I don't expect that lol.

Ambiverted. Every time I take any introvert-extrovert tests I always seem to get that. EIther it explicitely says that, or it's 40-60/ or 50/50 type thing. Even if quizzes are "shit" I still thinks it holds a little bit.

Depression or 5 is hard to tell for me. I've been this way for YEARS. Years... So really, whatever I am, I'm underdeveloped do to emotional issues and also have mild autism, making some things difficult. Haven't always been a healthy example. Hyper focus is typical of low Si? Interesting. I love knowledge and learning everything that interests me, but I want to make something of it usually in some way, I also use to put together lists of heights from different cultures, and make power level lists when I watched dbz. I was obsessed with numbers. I still like playing with numbers sometimes but I also get bored and move on quickly to other stuff, so it's only brief nowadays. Once it's a static thing, it's dead to me.

What I find attractive about knowledge and research is putting things together like a puzzle and digging into life's mysteries, and learning how everyone and the influences everyone obtains growing up make them who they become. It's all puzzles to me and it's fun and intriguing how everything is all interconnected in a way... But largely it's a hobby too. I also like playing with less touched upon ideas for fun too. Even if I'm not so serious.

Well it appears I'm getting Ne and 7 confused. Hard to discern. Some people tend to think functions and enneagram are related annoyingly. And if that's the case 5 would be TI and 7 would be Ne and 4 would be Fi making it all literally impossible to decipher.
But yeah, I tend to overthink but also not be reactive. It's confusing. Depends on the situation and what it is. But in games I'm totally reactive and push the limits to test myself. My istj friend would often think or plan a little first and I'd charge at the mobs to interrupt it and annoy him so we can all struggle to survive because it's more fun that way and getting that reaction out of him. And yeah, I don't master anything really I prefer to branch out. But that's the confusion again, I've seen ENTP 5's so how is that possible if entp's don't really master narrow things either. If there's anything I overthink, it's how these combinations even work and how to tell.

sp 7 is food for thought. As I am simply not high energy. I am not bubbly. I'm described as "so chill" to the contrary.

And yes, Ti and 5 confusion. See what I mean? Further fire for me to overthink and get myself confused. What do you mean my defaulting towards stimulations proves you wrong? Wrong about what?

4w3 entp? That's pretty rare but it fits in all honesty from what I've read of it. Almost the best.

As for So blind. Ehhhh. Been there, found out I probably was because I don't pay attention to politics or celebrities or the community or anything, other than my youtuber carreer which I'm quite focused on and aware of. But 3 and So can blur together as well. And also, I know I'm sx because of my intensity, especialy when in love I can be a bit obsessive and intimate. Sp in the fact that I'm so damn guarded. I found it hard to take many risks because of that and overly cautious about getting too close to anyone or leaving out of state because I lack worldly knoweldge. Feeling totally unprepared. Still getting prepared.
What do you mean by ego-ish? What is that?
My judgement towards lack of control isn't because I find expressing emotion wrong. It's very natural for me, but I've learn to conceal it because it was always a problem growing up and I would always get yelled at for expressing any emotion so I learned to be careful with how I act... begrudgingly. My natural impulse when I'm mad is to hit something, but I've been taught it's wrong. So I've learned to keep it more inside, which I hate or just let it out a little when no one is around. Idk what this means

This in general sounds like it could be 9w8, perhaps with expansive influence, which sort of pushes towards 7 influence.
What?

I consider everything potentially useful. Same with tritype definitions. Perhaps it would be better to list off what about it fits so well.

359 sensitive to exposure but strong desire to become something, famous or whatever, thinker always analyzing concepts as an "idea" and not the person, thus making the idea jus tthat, instead of making it personal like alot of people do.

478 the desire to send of message and seeing art in everything you do. Whether that be drawing, artistic style, revolutionary thinking, ect. Having a big vision and wanting to manifest it.

I still figured the so blindness worked because of my 3w4 or 4w3 though. Becuase of my strong desire of achievement and creating something that effects the world in some way.

I know I'm not so/sp at all. Becuase I'm too intense and intimate and person one and one type of person. If I ever consider so it's usually as sx/so because it sounds like an "idea" that they focus alot on which is alot like me. "idea" "concept" and alot of intensity about it. The "idea" is who I am.

I'll do the questions later. Good jesus, this is alot of information.

Q7) How do you relate to the core motivations of types 7, 3, 4, and 9? You can add 5 if you still think it's a possibility not worth ruling out for core.

7 is to avoid pain and negativity. I do that naturally, to counter pain i use funny videos and things, or chatting, or always trying to lighten the mood when something is too heavy. making jokes at inappropriate times. but I can also be quite drawn to pain or emotion at times, like a 4, sometimes 5 because of the dark and morbid stuff I can be at times totally into.(confusing thing is I can be positive and "high" one minute brainstorming an idea with someone, but then end up having a serious even heavy topic discussion right after and get a little dark and deep) 9 wants to keep the peace and well I do too, but it's not more important than the truth still. But i'll avoid conflict if I can, if I can't then I'll tackle it head on, though. I just focus a lot on how others are feeling. I say things a certain way to smooth over because can just be super blunt to the point it's rude and I avoid that because I dislike having enemies. Doesn't stop me from trolling, but I only go so far and even protect someone from another troll if the victim is clueless and passive about it. Poor guy. lol. 3 because I am what I do, my achievements are HUGE to me. Without them I feel like I'm nothing often. When I achieve I am creating and to create means I'm manifest and to manifest means I am effecting things, and in effecting things I have a expansive purpose.

Q8) Describe your relationship to enneagram 6.

I'm not a super anxious person. I am at moments randomly. But not normally. Normally I'm very chill and careless seeming. There was storm going around when we had trees around our house that looked like they could fall, and I just chilled and decided not to worry about it because it makes no difference. What happens, happens, and I knew we'd be fine anyway. My dad who is a 6 was all anxious. I don't feel paranoia is a big thing about me really, on the contrary I've only developed trust issues because I use to be naive and got my trust betrayed a lot. .... then again. I do have an a bit of an anxiety disorder and don't handle stress well, only under certain triggers. I avoid what stresses me if I can. I'm getting too bogged down in the details, really. I am pretty security oriented, though. Might be related to the 5ishness or maybe 6.

Q9) Are you familiar with object relations/harmonics of the enneagram? This is really breif if you're not: Enneagram Harmonics . Does anything here stand out that's worth noting? I'm fairly certain that you have some positive outlook and possibly competency/withdrawn influence, but pegging down where is somewhat challenging.

Nope. Guess I got some reading to do.

Q5) Outside of the heavy value orientation, what made you rule out 1 just out of curiosity (9 seems to work but I thought I'd ask anyways)?

Rawr. Murderers should all be executed because they're immoral. Sure, heavy values, but also they waste space. Better for functionality. Why waste resources on the irredeemable. As for ruling it out well, it's also pragmatism not just "moral" and in general I focus little on morality. Or is that ANYONE else's morality? Hmm. In any case, I have few morals. But the few I have are strong yes, but outside of that I don't really know what morality is. And i focus on what's pragmatic not being "morally just and right" which can get in the way of just being pragmatic. And the focus on perfection? I know I'm not perfect, and that's life. Like in marvel and dc comics I dislike the superhero's because they often refuse to kill anyone even when they're terrible and just leave it up to the justice system because of "right" and "wrong" bs, and I like the antihero's because they say F that and just get rid of those bad people. And some might think of that as "wrong" but I look at it as justice, but a very effective and rational justice. But maybe it is 1 still, who knows.

Q2) Can you elaborate on your inner emotionality if possible? You don't have to be super detailic if that's problematic.

My... inner emotionality? I'm... not sure how to. Just because I feel something doesn't mean I understand it.

Q3) What are you willing to give up to reach your goals or your ideals (including your ideal self if you have one)?

I'm not willing to give up my identity and passion. However, I'm willing to blend in and play the game to where it might seem somewhat inauthentic. Whatever is useful. I don't have much moral values so there's not a lot of that to give away. Since I don't fully even know what those are. But I've felt it in very specific things at times. I think it might be kinda Fi blind spot for me as an entp. If those blind spots are even true, anyway.

Q4) If you didn't answer this in 2, how do you deal with emotions generally and how would you gauge your awareness of them? At your worst (and outside of depression if possible) are you excessively resistant to your emotions and desires or overly yielding to them?

In stress I get pretty angry. In hurt and pain I get angry. My go-to pain response if first anger, then sadness. But anger needs to run it's course. Anger at someone. Anger at self. And since it always goes bad to express anger, it's better and more unpleasant to just shove it inside and rip myself apart that way. Sounds healthy, doesn't it? OR I just distract myself and ignore it, move on quick, watching funny videos again, working on video projects or other projects, gaming, or talking out my issues with the very few I trust. I'd say that's fairly normal.

Q6) What about these types in general seem to stick out to you as "you?"

Type 4 - Identity, Type 4w3 - Ambitious persona, I do feel special but at least i'm honest about it, i always feel like an outsider in some way, including on this forum
3w4 same but a little more achievement focused, adaptable, chameleon'like
5w4 = the morbid darkness, the fascination with it, and the strange emotionality it also can possess, it's so fascinating, and the symbolic meanings some stuff can have and the immersion

like this, i originally went with 5w4 because for an entp i seem darker usually, and I wrote my own, as well as dark poetry

unless that's just fourish melancholy
7w6 - fairly playful talking style, adaptable and quick on feet
8w9 = more aggressive sense of justice, protective, more familiar with anger but goal is still peace related, can be aggressive yet quite known as calm
9w8 =peaceful but aggressive when someone steps on their turf, defensive anger, yup, but moves on from anger really quick to a neutral peaceful state again, can numb out (I've numbed out to cope alot but i've also wondered at times if that was 3 disintegration to 9 because it's often from life at the time feeling pointless)

5 in general is the fear of interacting with the external world for being unprepared. Thus won't go out into it unless prepared. Story of my life. I've avoided a lot of things feeling unprepared. Sadly. Lots of missed chances.

^I'm overthinking right now.

 

[wildmoon]

Isn't Ne about being more open with information or thoughts? I mean, I've heard of INTP's being more private and hard to know. And I also knew an INTP who had his own theories but didn't share them. What's the point of having theories in your head if you never share them? Ideas should be made manifest in some way.

Ah, I guess Ne is different for you than for me because it's your dominant function. I'm curious now how else does Ne manifest for you?
For me it's more like connecting random patterns and ideas, which I've always been good at, and entertaining myself with like, one-person inside jokes. I also like using it to entertain other people but entertaining myself comes first. And being unable to limit myself to less than five hobbies at once because everything is interesting. And yeah, using it for theories and in my writing and art and things like that. I also enjoy like... this will sound weird but when you notice how different things connect with each other and you can sort of zoom out on reality and see the everything-ness of everything... I thought that was mostly a Ne thing but maybe it's more fuelled by Ti than I thought.

What's the point of having theories in your head if you never share them?

Most of my theories are to help me navigate life and figure things out for myself. I share a fair bit of them, but usually only with people that I'm really close to. (Or otherwise I work them into my stories in some way.) So I guess because I apply them in my personal life and things that matter to me, I do see them as being made manifest.

 

[Kanra Jest]

Ah, I guess Ne is different for you than for me because it's your dominant function. I'm curious now how else does Ne manifest for you?
For me it's more like connecting random patterns and ideas, which I've always been good at, and entertaining myself with like, one-person inside jokes. I also like using it to entertain other people but entertaining myself comes first. And being unable to limit myself to less than five hobbies at once because everything is interesting. And yeah, using it for theories and in my writing and art and things like that. I also enjoy like... this will sound weird but when you notice how different things connect with each other and you can sort of zoom out on reality and see the everything-ness of everything... I thought that was mostly a Ne thing but maybe it's more fuelled by Ti than I thought.



Most of my theories are to help me navigate life and figure things out for myself. I share a fair bit of them, but usually only with people that I'm really close to. (Or otherwise I work them into my stories in some way.) So I guess because I apply them in my personal life and things that matter to me, I do see them as being made manifest.

What you described is the same as how I experience Ne connecting the dots. I connect the dots and zoom out, to see some big picture forming. Most definitely. Like those 'Aha' moments, of which I have certainly had. Very intuition based.

You basically described the same thing I experience so I'm not totally sure. I mean we both have Ne, but I end up trying to get it out into the world in a more wider known way I guess. I have some stuff I've studied mostly alone, though.

 

[wildmoon]

What you described is the same as how I experience Ne connecting the dots. I connect the dots and zoom out, to see some big picture forming. Most definitely. Like those 'Aha' moments, of which I have certainly had. Very intuition based.

You basically described the same thing I experience so I'm not totally sure. I mean we both have Ne, but I end up trying to get it out into the world in a more wider known way I guess. I have some stuff I've studied mostly alone, though.

YAY someone gets it

I guess the main difference is the introversion vs extroversion thing then.

 

[Kanra Jest]

YAY someone gets it I guess the main difference is the introversion vs extroversion thing then.

How would you describe the introversion and extroversion thing, exactly?

 

[hjgbujhghg]

I think you do seem fairly Ne in this post and in others that I've seen as well, and I could easily see you as an N dom.

When it comes to enneagram, it sounds like you relate to 5 for reasons, that might not be type related such as depression. I suppose that is also the reason, why you might feel close to enneagram type 4. You don't seem introverted and hyper focused enough to be a 5, yet you don't seem energetic enough to be a 7. I'd suggest looking into 6, 6s often mistype as 4s when unhealthy and can be very much into learning and knowledge just like 5s.

I don't know you enough to finalize your typing, but for now, I'd say you look like an ENTP 6w7 so/sx, probably 639 or 649 tritype.

As for socionics, I'd suggest more on depth study, you sound like an ILE (ENTp) to me there as well.

 

[Kanra Jest]

I think you do seem fairly Ne in this post and in others that I've seen as well, and I could easily see you as an N dom.

When it comes to enneagram, it sounds like you relate to 5 for reasons, that might not be type related such as depression. I suppose that is also the reason, why you might feel close to enneagram type 4. You don't seem introverted and hyper focused enough to be a 5, yet you don't seem energetic enough to be a 7. I'd suggest looking into 6, 6s often mistype as 4s when unhealthy and can be very much into learning and knowledge just like 5s.

I don't know you enough to finalize your typing, but for now, I'd say you look like an ENTP 6w7 so/sx, probably 639 or 649 tritype.

As for socionics, I'd suggest more on depth study, you sound like an ILE (ENTp) to me there as well.

Then there becomes this:

How does one distinguish the depression from the 5? Also I have more than one disorder so that can blur things. Idk what is the disorder and what is the enneagram or if it's the same but made more prominent with the negative side effects.

Also what does a 5 entp look like? some seem to question it because entp's don't hyper focus and introspect as much as a 5 might. Which I do. I've thought about who I am and my type and the many odd contradictions I seem to have time and again. In contrast, what would a 6 entp look like? I've been to a councilor as well mainly to figure myself out

The problem with 6 is the loyalty, commitment, responsibility, and practicality it seems they have. I actually lack that. Severely. I'm always hesitant to commitment, like in relationships I'd be sucked in by the intensity if I was in love, but I would never give myself up to them fully. I just couldn't. And it caused a lot of problems. Push-Pull confusion. Like I always keep people at some distance. Even if I find the intensity so addicting. And with intensity, one-on-one bonds to me get pretty intense, and that's why I believe I'm probably more sx/so, why I've thought sx/sp before. I more prefer small group or one on one rather than large crowds, because I prefer the depth. That's a large part of how I haven't been able to connect to most anyone worth crap. Because a lot of times they just aren't deep enough, don't care, or squirrel away from my intensity and the deep subjects I'll bring up not everyone likes talking about. So I've just become use to distance.

Starting to think 359 again though. maybe 359 sx/so(because the tritype description makes me uncomfortable and resonates and points to a core problem I have had: "your blind spot is that you can be so reserved that your true nature remains hidden and underexpressed which can cause you to appear aloof and indifferent. to feel in control, you may use withholding as punishment(i had to look it up but yeah, stonewalling I've done before and never noticed it was an issue"), but I'll consider 369 sx/so

Also sx dom I've heard alot of having intense eyes, energy, and such. I have been told that I have intense energy, as well as intense eyes, eagle eyes. And regardless of how typing by visual can be scoffed at by most, I don't care. I consider it possible that there's at least something to it.

I've just realized how concealed I am. I'm too calculated in the way I act and speak to be a core 4 I think, I can be so pragmatic about people. Mainly because I have to know I can safely let down my guard to not have to polish myself and play the game. And my response to what I perceive as bad in me is Shame I've realized. My damn image. This whole talking about myself has been difficult. Even if I say alot... because I'm trying to understand myself so much and overthinking it.

Honestly! Here's the thing. If I'm not even healthy though I'm not sure if that's even type-able. Really. How do I know unless I'm out and about and fully experience myself? I don't. So really I won't know until I'm in a better mental and emotional state.

At least it's been narrowed down, and I appreciate that.

And yes, I got ENTp on socionics

 

[RadicalDoubt]

I was planning to ask if you would consider any types other than head core and then I saw that you currently have yourself listed as 9w8 sx/so. I just wanted to note that I could definitely see that. It seems very likely you are a positive outlook core and, since your q was kind of looking as though it could be potentially sp blind or rounded in terms of IV, I think a withdrawn type might work well.

Also sorry for the super long reply hehehe...

Ambiverted. Every time I take any introvert-extrovert tests I always seem to get that. Either it explicitly says that, or it's 40-60/ or 50/50 type thing. Even if quizzes are "shit" I still thinks it holds a little bit.

Ah I see. E vs I is probably one of the easier things to measure by quiz (give or take; I'd be willing to bet there's a slight introversion bias just because the extrovert stereotype sometimes comes off as obnoxious), but that's good to note.

Depression or 5 is hard to tell for me. I've been this way for YEARS. Years... So really, whatever I am, I'm underdeveloped do to emotional issues and also have mild autism, making some things difficult. Haven't always been a healthy example. Hyper focus is typical of low Si? Interesting. I love knowledge and learning everything that interests me, but I want to make something of it usually in some way, I also use to put together lists of heights from different cultures, and make power level lists when I watched dbz. I was obsessed with numbers. I still like playing with numbers sometimes but I also get bored and move on quickly to other stuff, so it's only brief nowadays. Once it's a static thing, it's dead to me.

What I find attractive about knowledge and research is putting things together like a puzzle and digging into life's mysteries, and learning how everyone and the influences everyone obtains growing up make them who they become. It's all puzzles to me and it's fun and intriguing how everything is all interconnected in a way... But largely it's a hobby too. I also like playing with less touched upon ideas for fun too. Even if I'm not so serious.

I definitely get that, I typed 5 core for several years due to depression as well, it gets quite messy. Even though you do have applications for what you research, it still seems that the focus on learning is more related to novelty in the way it would be for 7, especially since you get fairly bored when things become static.

Well it appears I'm getting Ne and 7 confused. Hard to discern. Some people tend to think functions and enneagram are related annoyingly. And if that's the case 5 would be TI and 7 would be Ne and 4 would be Fi making it all literally impossible to decipher.

No yeah I get that. Theoretically, you should be able to separate the the two when typing, but since there is such a focus on behavior rather than motivations when typing people or trying to get typed, the definitions begin to mix and it becomes troublesome to gauge one without the presence of the other.

But yeah, I tend to overthink but also not be reactive. It's confusing. Depends on the situation and what it is. But in games I'm totally reactive and push the limits to test myself. My istj friend would often think or plan a little first and I'd charge at the mobs to interrupt it and annoy him so we can all struggle to survive because it's more fun that way and getting that reaction out of him. And yeah, I don't master anything really I prefer to branch out. But that's the confusion again, I've seen ENTP 5's so how is that possible if entp's don't really master narrow things either. If there's anything I overthink, it's how these combinations even work and how to tell.

While Ne dom 5s are definitely possible I'd think, it's hard to extrapolate exactly how that combination would work just because the extroverted and adaptable nature of Ne really contradicts the more structured and compartmentalized nature of 5. From what I've seen, ENTP 5s tend to be somewhat more specified still, but I'm not really sure I'd be able to give an answer that's both satisfying and correct so I'm going to leave this question for someone else if they happen to have the answer.

sp 7 is food for thought. As I am simply not high energy. I am not bubbly. I'm described as "so chill" to the contrary.

Yeah that's sort of the idea I had got from you. sp 7s tend to resemble 9s in that respect.

And yes, Ti and 5 confusion. See what I mean? Further fire for me to overthink and get myself confused. What do you mean my defaulting towards stimulations proves you wrong? Wrong about what?

In the first questionaire, I was thinking you might be 7 > 5 and was sort of working towards that (although frankly, you don't seem to be either in terms of core; neither one really seems to fit what you're giving completely, which is why questioned perhaps 6). I was saying there was the possibility this could be 7 disintegration if 5 came back as a likely candidate.

4w3 entp? That's pretty rare but it fits in all honesty from what I've read of it. Almost the best.

Eh, it could work so long as it wasn't your core type.

As for So blind. Ehhhh. Been there, found out I probably was because I don't pay attention to politics or celebrities or the community or anything, other than my youtuber carreer which I'm quite focused on and aware of. But 3 and So can blur together as well. And also, I know I'm sx because of my intensity, especialy when in love I can be a bit obsessive and intimate. Sp in the fact that I'm so damn guarded. I found it hard to take many risks because of that and overly cautious about getting too close to anyone or leaving out of state because I lack worldly knoweldge. Feeling totally unprepared. Still getting prepared.
What do you mean by ego-ish? What is that?

Mm I see, I can relate to that as well. I've heard others with soc secondary suggest that they had that sort of experience as well, if you're not 7 core perhaps you might consider sx/so? From what I've read, soc blind doesn't seem to fit because you do have an outwards focus to some degree in terms of considering the way your actions affect the outside world and wanting to make some sort of difference.

I apologize, I was refering to the triadic relations. The superego types are 1, 2, and 6 and what you said sort of came across like that. Since you're not familiar with them, I'll use other terms when that comes up again.

My judgement towards lack of control isn't because I find expressing emotion wrong. It's very natural for me, but I've learn to conceal it because it was always a problem growing up and I would always get yelled at for expressing any emotion so I learned to be careful with how I act... begrudgingly. My natural impulse when I'm mad is to hit something, but I've been taught it's wrong. So I've learned to keep it more inside, which I hate or just let it out a little when no one is around. Idk what this means

Ahhh I see, the clarification works then.

This in general sounds like it could be 9w8, perhaps with expansive influence, which sort of pushes towards 7 influence.
What?

Sorry, triads again, expansive would relate to 7, 8, and 3. Your fluidity and "chillness" sort of pushes towards the reason I thought 9 stuck out, and the fact that you aren't necessarily excessively peace seeking and are willing to upset the peace in order to derive the truth kind of suggests you may have more "dominant" type expression or at least types that are more willing to push and prod in order to get what they want without being unreasonable, thus I suggested 7 out of those 3.

I consider everything potentially useful. Same with tritype definitions. Perhaps it would be better to list off what about it fits so well.

359 sensitive to exposure but strong desire to become something, famous or whatever, thinker always analyzing concepts as an "idea" and not the person, thus making the idea jus tthat, instead of making it personal like alot of people do.

478 the desire to send of message and seeing art in everything you do. Whether that be drawing, artistic style, revolutionary thinking, ect. Having a big vision and wanting to manifest it.

I still figured the so blindness worked because of my 3w4 or 4w3 though. Becuase of my strong desire of achievement and creating something that effects the world in some way.

I see where you're coming from. I don't think having just the presence of 3, especially as it doesn't seem to be your core type, would be enough to emulate soc in this way. 3 is achievement seeking and for a lot of 3s, fame and adoration is a goal, but for soc blind 3s that isn't really so much as to create an impact and affect things at a larger scale or even be recognized at a larger scale. Especially with sp, the focus becomes more on the ambitions themselves and the world of material gain.

I know I'm not so/sp at all. Becuase I'm too intense and intimate and person one and one type of person. If I ever consider so it's usually as sx/so because it sounds like an "idea" that they focus alot on which is alot like me. "idea" "concept" and alot of intensity about it. The "idea" is who I am.

I'll do the questions later. Good jesus, this is alot of information.

Ah ok. I didn't really think so/sp would fit super well, but I figured I would suggest it since I thought I saw soc and had mentioned the whole sp 7 thing being a possibility. I could see sx/so and had actually thought of it my first round of this... Probably should've trusted my gut on that one.

Also sorry for all the questions again, I didn't mean to overwhelm. I just wanted to clarify things and also you seemed fairly interesting.

Q7) How do you relate to the core motivations of types 7, 3, 4, and 9? You can add 5 if you still think it's a possibility not worth ruling out for core.

7 is to avoid pain and negativity. I do that naturally, to counter pain i use funny videos and things, or chatting, or always trying to lighten the mood when something is too heavy. making jokes at inappropriate times. but I can also be quite drawn to pain or emotion at times, like a 4, sometimes 5 because of the dark and morbid stuff I can be at times totally into.(confusing thing is I can be positive and "high" one minute brainstorming an idea with someone, but then end up having a serious even heavy topic discussion right after and get a little dark and deep) 9 wants to keep the peace and well I do too, but it's not more important than the truth still. But i'll avoid conflict if I can, if I can't then I'll tackle it head on, though. I just focus a lot on how others are feeling. I say things a certain way to smooth over because can just be super blunt to the point it's rude and I avoid that because I dislike having enemies. Doesn't stop me from trolling, but I only go so far and even protect someone from another troll if the victim is clueless and passive about it. Poor guy. lol. 3 because I am what I do, my achievements are HUGE to me. Without them I feel like I'm nothing often. When I achieve I am creating and to create means I'm manifest and to manifest means I am effecting things, and in effecting things I have a expansive purpose.

A lot of types can be attracted to the morbid, although especially as you're gearing heavily towards positive outlook, it would probably make more sense if you had 5 or 4 within your tritype. Again, this seems 9, I'd probably still go with 9w8 over 8w9. Your last line also points heavily towards a 3 fix. With the 4 influence you've been mentioning, 3w4 would probably work well although I thought I saw more 4 than that. Perhaps 5w4 could be more of a possibility than I thought initially, but your motivations don't really seem to align with it enough for it to be core.

Q8) Describe your relationship to enneagram 6.

I'm not a super anxious person. I am at moments randomly. But not normally. Normally I'm very chill and careless seeming. There was storm going around when we had trees around our house that looked like they could fall, and I just chilled and decided not to worry about it because it makes no difference. What happens, happens, and I knew we'd be fine anyway. My dad who is a 6 was all anxious. I don't feel paranoia is a big thing about me really, on the contrary I've only developed trust issues because I use to be naive and got my trust betrayed a lot. .... then again. I do have an a bit of an anxiety disorder and don't handle stress well, only under certain triggers. I avoid what stresses me if I can. I'm getting too bogged down in the details, really. I am pretty security oriented, though. Might be related to the 5ishness or maybe 6.

Ah ok, yeah you're not 6. I thought it was worth asking since you didn't really seem 7 or 5 either and 6 sort of hits in between the two in terms of defense mechanisms. It is worth noting that fear and anxiety are the central themes of the head triad though, and if you are inclined to be more chill and unaffected in this sense (purely relating to fear and such), perhaps head core isn't correct. Have you I can't really see you as a 3w4 core, have you perhaps considered 9? 9 hits on a lot of the positive outlook stuff you've been mentioning, as in the evasion of stress and the usage of videos and such to distract from negativity that is also found in 7 and also on the more withdrawn, contemplative aspects that you might find in 5.

Q5) Outside of the heavy value orientation, what made you rule out 1 just out of curiosity (9 seems to work but I thought I'd ask anyways)?

Rawr. Murderers should all be executed because they're immoral. Sure, heavy values, but also they waste space. Better for functionality. Why waste resources on the irredeemable. As for ruling it out well, it's also pragmatism not just "moral" and in general I focus little on morality. Or is that ANYONE else's morality? Hmm. In any case, I have few morals. But the few I have are strong yes, but outside of that I don't really know what morality is. And i focus on what's pragmatic not being "morally just and right" which can get in the way of just being pragmatic. And the focus on perfection? I know I'm not perfect, and that's life. Like in marvel and dc comics I dislike the superhero's because they often refuse to kill anyone even when they're terrible and just leave it up to the justice system because of "right" and "wrong" bs, and I like the antihero's because they say F that and just get rid of those bad people. And some might think of that as "wrong" but I look at it as justice, but a very effective and rational justice. But maybe it is 1 still, who knows.

Ah I see. What you've said here doesn't discount 1, but other things said do so I'm just going to discount 1 as a possibility at this point.

Q2) Can you elaborate on your inner emotionality if possible? You don't have to be super detailic if that's problematic.

My... inner emotionality? I'm... not sure how to. Just because I feel something doesn't mean I understand it.

Oh rip I asked this question wrong, I was going to use it to differentiate 3 or 4 for you. I think you've given me enough to work with outside of this though.

Q3) What are you willing to give up to reach your goals or your ideals (including your ideal self if you have one)?

I'm not willing to give up my identity and passion. However, I'm willing to blend in and play the game to where it might seem somewhat inauthentic. Whatever is useful. I don't have much moral values so there's not a lot of that to give away. Since I don't fully even know what those are. But I've felt it in very specific things at times. I think it might be kinda Fi blind spot for me as an entp. If those blind spots are even true, anyway.

Ah ok, I see where the sx is coming in now. This gears more towards 3 than 4 I believe, but definitely 3w4 rather than 3w2.

Q4) If you didn't answer this in 2, how do you deal with emotions generally and how would you gauge your awareness of them? At your worst (and outside of depression if possible) are you excessively resistant to your emotions and desires or overly yielding to them?

In stress I get pretty angry. In hurt and pain I get angry. My go-to pain response if first anger, then sadness. But anger needs to run it's course. Anger at someone. Anger at self. And since it always goes bad to express anger, it's better and more unpleasant to just shove it inside and rip myself apart that way. Sounds healthy, doesn't it? OR I just distract myself and ignore it, move on quick, watching funny videos again, working on video projects or other projects, gaming, or talking out my issues with the very few I trust. I'd say that's fairly normal.

Oh wow this is super 9. Maybe 9w8 core is worth the consideration, especially if anger might be a more major focus than shame or fear.

Q6) What about these types in general seem to stick out to you as "you?"

Type 4 - Identity, Type 4w3 - Ambitious persona, I do feel special but at least i'm honest about it, i always feel like an outsider in some way, including on this forum
3w4 same but a little more achievement focused, adaptable, chameleon'like
5w4 = the morbid darkness, the fascination with it, and the strange emotionality it also can possess, it's so fascinating, and the symbolic meanings some stuff can have and the immersion

like this, i originally went with 5w4 because for an entp i seem darker usually, and I wrote my own, as well as dark poetry

unless that's just fourish melancholy
7w6 - fairly playful talking style, adaptable and quick on feet
8w9 = more aggressive sense of justice, protective, more familiar with anger but goal is still peace related, can be aggressive yet quite known as calm
9w8 =peaceful but aggressive when someone steps on their turf, defensive anger, yup, but moves on from anger really quick to a neutral peaceful state again, can numb out (I've numbed out to cope alot but i've also wondered at times if that was 3 disintegration to 9 because it's often from life at the time feeling pointless)

5 in general is the fear of interacting with the external world for being unprepared. Thus won't go out into it unless prepared. Story of my life. I've avoided a lot of things feeling unprepared. Sadly. Lots of missed chances.

Mm I see. Frankly I could either see 4 or 3, but realistically you don't seem triple withdrawn. And also triple withdrawn ENTPs are (almost) unheard of. If you don't go with 5 as a core, I could easily see 5 as perhaps a secondary fix. 9w8 5w4 3w4 sx/so seems as though it could be plausible.

 

[Kanra Jest]

I was planning to ask if you would consider any types other than head core and then I saw that you currently have yourself listed as 9w8 sx/so. I just wanted to note that I could definitely see that. It seems very likely you are a positive outlook core and, since your q was kind of looking as though it could be potentially sp blind or rounded in terms of IV, I think a withdrawn type might work well.

Also sorry for the super long reply hehehe...

Ah I see. E vs I is probably one of the easier things to measure by quiz (give or take; I'd be willing to bet there's a slight introversion bias just because the extrovert stereotype sometimes comes off as obnoxious), but that's good to note.

I definitely get that, I typed 5 core for several years due to depression as well, it gets quite messy. Even though you do have applications for what you research, it still seems that the focus on learning is more related to novelty in the way it would be for 7, especially since you get fairly bored when things become static.

No yeah I get that. Theoretically, you should be able to separate the the two when typing, but since there is such a focus on behavior rather than motivations when typing people or trying to get typed, the definitions begin to mix and it becomes troublesome to gauge one without the presence of the other.
While Ne dom 5s are definitely possible I'd think, it's hard to extrapolate exactly how that combination would work just because the extroverted and adaptable nature of Ne really contradicts the more structured and compartmentalized nature of 5. From what I've seen, ENTP 5s tend to be somewhat more specified still, but I'm not really sure I'd be able to give an answer that's both satisfying and correct so I'm going to leave this question for someone else if they happen to have the answer.

Yeah that's sort of the idea I had got from you. sp 7s tend to resemble 9s in that respect.

In the first questionaire, I was thinking you might be 7 > 5 and was sort of working towards that (although frankly, you don't seem to be either in terms of core; neither one really seems to fit what you're giving completely, which is why questioned perhaps 6). I was saying there was the possibility this could be 7 disintegration if 5 came back as a likely candidate.

4w3 entp? That's pretty rare but it fits in all honesty from what I've read of it. Almost the best.

Eh, it could work so long as it wasn't your core type.


Mm I see, I can relate to that as well. I've heard others with soc secondary suggest that they had that sort of experience as well, if you're not 7 core perhaps you might consider sx/so? From what I've read, soc blind doesn't seem to fit because you do have an outwards focus to some degree in terms of considering the way your actions affect the outside world and wanting to make some sort of difference.

I apologize, I was refering to the triadic relations. The superego types are 1, 2, and 6 and what you said sort of came across like that. Since you're not familiar with them, I'll use other terms when that comes up again.

Ahhh I see, the clarification works then.

Sorry, triads again, expansive would relate to 7, 8, and 3. Your fluidity and "chillness" sort of pushes towards the reason I thought 9 stuck out, and the fact that you aren't necessarily excessively peace seeking and are willing to upset the peace in order to derive the truth kind of suggests you may have more "dominant" type expression or at least types that are more willing to push and prod in order to get what they want without being unreasonable, thus I suggested 7 out of those 3.

I see where you're coming from. I don't think having just the presence of 3, especially as it doesn't seem to be your core type, would be enough to emulate soc in this way. 3 is achievement seeking and for a lot of 3s, fame and adoration is a goal, but for soc blind 3s that isn't really so much as to create an impact and affect things at a larger scale or even be recognized at a larger scale. Especially with sp, the focus becomes more on the ambitions themselves and the world of material gain.

Ah ok. I didn't really think so/sp would fit super well, but I figured I would suggest it since I thought I saw soc and had mentioned the whole sp 7 thing being a possibility. I could see sx/so and had actually thought of it my first round of this... Probably should've trusted my gut on that one.

Also sorry for all the questions again, I didn't mean to overwhelm. I just wanted to clarify things and also you seemed fairly interesting.

A lot of types can be attracted to the morbid, although especially as you're gearing heavily towards positive outlook, it would probably make more sense if you had 5 or 4 within your tritype. Again, this seems 9, I'd probably still go with 9w8 over 8w9. Your last line also points heavily towards a 3 fix. With the 4 influence you've been mentioning, 3w4 would probably work well although I thought I saw more 4 than that. Perhaps 5w4 could be more of a possibility than I thought initially, but your motivations don't really seem to align with it enough for it to be core.

Ah ok, yeah you're not 6. I thought it was worth asking since you didn't really seem 7 or 5 either and 6 sort of hits in between the two in terms of defense mechanisms. It is worth noting that fear and anxiety are the central themes of the head triad though, and if you are inclined to be more chill and unaffected in this sense (purely relating to fear and such), perhaps head core isn't correct. Have you I can't really see you as a 3w4 core, have you perhaps considered 9? 9 hits on a lot of the positive outlook stuff you've been mentioning, as in the evasion of stress and the usage of videos and such to distract from negativity that is also found in 7 and also on the more withdrawn, contemplative aspects that you might find in 5.

Ah I see. What you've said here doesn't discount 1, but other things said do so I'm just going to discount 1 as a possibility at this point.

Oh rip I asked this question wrong, I was going to use it to differentiate 3 or 4 for you. I think you've given me enough to work with outside of this though.

Ah ok, I see where the sx is coming in now. This gears more towards 3 than 4 I believe, but definitely 3w4 rather than 3w2.

Oh wow this is super 9. Maybe 9w8 core is worth the consideration, especially if anger might be a more major focus than shame or fear.


Mm I see. Frankly I could either see 4 or 3, but realistically you don't seem triple withdrawn. And also triple withdrawn ENTPs are (almost) unheard of. If you don't go with 5 as a core, I could easily see 5 as perhaps a secondary fix. 9w8 5w4 3w4 sx/so seems as though it could be plausible.

50/50 is me in a nutshell, I'm an extrovert in ideas, but an introvert in terms of being easily overwhelmed by too much stimulation (HSP - hypersensitive person) It's tedious

Yeah, the two seem confused together alot. Enneagram and specific functions it sounds alot like. Which I get it, I've theorized I might have a bit of stronger Te than normal entp because of my ambitiousness and pragmatism.

Ne dom 5's. Yes, contradictnig. It sounds unlikely, but theoretically there's no way it's impossible. Given the sheer amount of humans and personalities that exist there's millions of potential combinations. I've been somewhat specific in interests, but also wanting to branch out a bit. *shrugs* I'll just list them off
-Art, Drawing, Writing, Modding, Music/singing, Gaming/game related content, and then of course messing with people. Alot of it is interconnected in my mind though, as I'm just an artist. Perhaps it is also tools that add to my image. But I have no interest in politics or anything whatsoever outside of that. Except sometimes philosophy and conspiracy stuff for fun because it entertains my Ne-Ti.
-But I'm a cautious person so my trolling is more subtle and i only go so far to not cause any serious shit. Plus I tend to be fairly caring actually. How I say things is important.
In any case I've seen examples of a five ENTP before.

The ENTP In The Enneagram — Personality Type and Personal Growth | Personality Hacker


Yeah. I think I'm more 9 than 7. I'm just not energetic enough, I'm more slothful if anything. When I'm not in my ambitious mode anyway where I tend to overwork on my projects at the expense of my health and sleep. Which I need to stop doing. Cuz I'm impatient and also I just really get focused on it. I've been focused where others have said stuff and I didn't notice cuz I was too singular focused. Which is funny because otherwise I'm far more distractable outside of my goal type or deep thinking moments. I've appeared INTP before and an ENTP with 5 in his tritype would from what I've heard come off that way. In fact I use to be typed that, and I just molded into that image intentionally even if it didn't explain everything.

I've considered sx/so yes. In fact, that revolutionary idea image fits me alot in how I tend to think and see things and what my focus is and my favorite characters tend to be that. I sorta romantize the concept. My theory use to be I was sp also becasue of my isolationist tendencies, but at the same time if I'm sp blind then it's likely a 5 influence afterall. I know people find 5w4 hard to fit with ENTP but it simply isn't impossible. Therefore it's possible. Plus with sp blind I'm terrible with financial things and hate those responsibilities.

Yeah, not excessively peace seeking but it's still my general goal. But if I'm totally sick of someone's crap or someone has an issue and refuses to tell me I'll press for it to fix the issue. So I appreciate bluntness and straightfowardness to get it over with, unless it sounds rude of course.

Yeah, seems So is right. But So with a withdrawn enneagram influence. That makes alot of sense as to how contradicting I tend to feel. I really want to become a figure and become known for something, but at the same time i'm terrible with social networking and keeping track of alot of people. Also having a tendency to withdraw and be very cautious about exposure in the first place. Always keeping some distance, except with a select few people or sometimes just one person I can be too intense and be deep with. Works well I guess whne you got a girlfriend and you almost only focus on her, occasional one other person maybe. But there comes a point where I may detach and switch focus onto someone else and forget the earlier person entirely. Drop of a hat. Which ain't the best.

I am achievement seeking. I also want to be unique and express that. But above all if I'm not actually recognized for it what's the point. Lending to So. I've been depressed largely from persuits I have not working out how I want it to. Going from working my butt off on projects to 9ish slothfulness and numbing out over it not working as well as I wanted and feeling it's pointless. Because wasting effort is the worst thing. Yep. Recognition. Often felt unrecognized by my ESTJ 836 father who had narcissistic tendencies.
Yep. Sx/So. I find the gut is often weirdly accurate.

Morbidness. Well, I use to make dark tunes on the piano, and also made my own creepypasta. And I dress kinda gothic. Lots of black, sometimes light makeup, ect. Also like feeling concealed but at the same time a bit show offy looking more dressed up than others. Mix of casual and proper.

I agree. Seems my original gut was correct. I have a gut feeling that I'm 359 sx (in whatever order) because it just feels right. And explains alot of my behaviours and motivations.. so ENTP "thinker" sx/so. Also I had a thoery that 3w4 and 5w4 seem to emulate a core 4 and can confuse others. Makes alot more sense this way. But yeah, not my main type it seems possibly. I guess it makes my main type 9w8 or 3w4? Mainly cuz I'm either slothful lazy alot it seems but in the mode I'm pretty ambitious and workaholic and kinda go back and forth between the two influences, while also being very detached.

WHich brings me to six. Six has issues with anxiety right? I do sometimes, but in general No. In general I'm detached. How I deal with issues is either I get mad, or I detach from it. Usually one or the other, occasionally both. I've been known to be mad one minute, then suddenly back to a peaceful "whatever" state and not care anymore. In general I don't feel much emotional at all, I have a lot of flatness, but I don't lack empathy. In an Fe manner I can still be caring. But appear otherwise disconnected. People have noted that about me "I've known for ____ long and I feel like I barely know you"

Yeah one morality I understand to a degree as the few morals I have they're strong, but in general I'd probably be considered lacking in morality as pragmatism overrides it usually. If I'm ever moral it's more in a justice "someone was treated unfairly how dare they" kinda way. Which I've heard to be 8ish.

Yeah I don't think about helping others much to be a 3w2 so I'm pretty sure that discounts it.

The anger is super 9? I always heard anger being so repressed and ignored it seems. But I've read in 9w8 when really unhealthy they're actually pretty impulsive in temper, at least with sx dom. But in general if they're angry it's defending their territory/disrupting the peace to slam the threat down and return to peace again. Peace being the goal still. Which yes, it always is. Shame is a major focus too. When I fail at something or look bad I tend to feel alot of shame. It bothers me. I gotta look good. Very 3. I don't mind losing a bit, and even hold back if I'm way better than someone at a game to make them happy, but if I'm sucky at something compared to someone else it can really upset me and get me very competitive. And I end up wanting to prove I can do it. So they will not humiliate me I guess. As for fear, well that's the core of my not going out into the world alot. Really fear, shame, and anger play a bit part in me.

Yeah I've comtemplated triple withdrawn but I don't think so. 9w8 5w4 3w4 sx/so like you said. My gut feeling alligns with that if I follow it. I think we figured it out.

I think I just wanted to be 478 sx/sp before because it's so powerful and forward in a way I'm not. I'm still powerful in a tenacious manner but I'm more of a sneaky observant sort than being as obvious a force. I want to send a message like it too, but I'm not as blunt about it all.

 

[Kanra Jest]

Gonna do these comparisons for fun. Just showing things that really stuck out to me.

sx/so
This is the type that exudes the most raw charisma and sexual energy. They may identify so strongly with whatever they're involved with that they often become the symbol of its core essence, and sometimes its lead agent for change. Hardly content with the status quo, this subvariant seeks to alter the fundamental structure of something while at once embodying it's purest or most extreme form. Possibly attracted to radical views on politics, philosophy, spirituality or creativity that reflect their penchant for testing boundaries. They enjoy pushing other's buttons, especially those resistant to their modes of expression. It's not uncommon for them to have a pet social, political or spiritual cause which they're able to support with heartfelt conviction. May exploit and seek to redefine sexuality to reflect their own colorful and uncertain understanding of it. While prone to exhibitionism, they are strongly attracted to grounding influences which can anchor them and provide stability. Failure to satisfy an especially intense desire for connection may cause this subvariant to spite others at the risk of jeopardizing the need for an equal, stabilizing force. Can feel pulled between wanting a life of maximum intensity and reassuring episodes of peaceful convention.
Motivation: to impact others, question assumptions, challenge convention.
Familiar roles: provocateur, activist, exhibitionish

9w8 sx/so

This typewingstack is sometimes diva-esque. May often escape problems by creating a fairyland of beauty and dreams, reflecting how wonderful their life "really" is. Feels the 9's sense of anonymity clashing with the sx-instincts confidence and desire to escape it. Positive self-view, sometimes boldly confident, self-reliant, and won't judge thesmelves by the standards of society. The idea of a soul mate is somebody who can understand them without any words. May develop themselves as a sex symbol, can often come to symbolize whatever qualities they wish to brand themselves with...devoted to charity causes. unlike so/sx, this stacking not only has the ability to make friends with anybody they come in contact with but to entrance people.

They have a natural instinct for what fits them best in terms of outer appearance, but neither through imitation of others nor adherence to fashion but simply an enhancement of their natural qualities. They may express an unsureness of themselves by trying to vary their appearance but they learn through trial and error on how to look natural without seeming contrived. They want their outer appearance to flow with the grain of their features. They don't want to use outer appearance as a mask to hide behind. Even though they will be receptive to newer fashions, once they find a basic style that suits them, it won’t change much in spite of current fashions.

They can play host for others or groups. They commit totally to people. They give their trust totally, and hurt totally in the violation of their trust. They will then avoid the source of their pain to let their wounds heal and try again. It’s not that they are blindly trusting of others but they realize for practicality sake that’s the best way to find out whether someone is trustworthy or not. They can certainly suffer disillusionment….

Romantic and vulnerable... Unions between themselves and others are the epic moments of their life and give them a position of power over life. They are the most inclined 9w8 to merge with aggressive or larger than life people who have a love for life and strength the 9 can admire. Most confessional in relationships and look for people with common emotional experience. They like to break through the others’ inner conflicts. Will put their feelings before morals when it comes to relationships and can fall into libertine patterns. Views sex as private and special. Gives the act an air of mystery and exalts, as opposed to degrade or cheapen, the role that sex plays throughout their life. Doesn’t link vulgarity with attraction. Beauty and mystery go hand in hand with sexuality...and they feel that exposure is less attractive than the right piece of clothing. BINGO about how sexuality works to me

Attracted to openness and strength. Ambitious and use their merging ability to meet the right people to advance themselves but will draw a line about how far they will go. Sometimes reframe the result of their own hyper-merging abilities with others as strong premonitions or eerie abilities of perception. (idk what that part means lol)

5w4 sx/so "Revolution" contributed by jase
The most creatively energized and outspoken of Fives, they conceive of outlandish and idealistic alternatives to a reality they find deeply unfulfilling for the most part, and like to exhibit these radical visions, possibly through an art form if not through direct advocacy. Many sx/soc 5w4's are responsible for revolutionizing their creative fields, for better or worse. They aren't always comfortable in the visionary roles they might find themselves in, and may escape to extended periods of withdrawal to regain a sense of independence and security. This kind of retreat can surprise those who have mistaken them for a more conventionally driven, extroverted personality.

1. Freedom
Sx/Sp's believe in freedom. And they don't just believe in it as an abstract concept, but in reality. They don't want to be held down, confined, restricted, or contained. But then there's the problem of their siren, their drug, their love...an Sx/Sp would sell their soul to merge with their object of desire (be it a person, idea, or whatever). They will tirelessly fight off all other chains placed on them, but they will willingly don the handcuffs binding them to their love. The Sx/Sp ideal is to run away with their love and leave all the world behind.

Sx/So's will not do this. Freedom is too precious to surrender, even to the object of their deepest affection. The Sx/So ideal is not to run away but to stand and fight, tearing down the walls and breaking all chains. Their siren, their drug, their love...this is the greatest chain of them all. They have a strong desire to merge and yet are compelled to at least put up a token resistance.
STORY of my life, I struggle to give myself fully to anyone despite wanting that intensity I keep refusing to be chained down


2. Means to an End
The Sx/Sp places their hopes for fulfillment of their primary instinct (and ultimately, their survival) in their personal qualities and attributes: attractiveness, charisma, skills, abilities, success, wealth, status, etc. When things don't work out, this can leave an Sx/Sp feeling self-conscious. This gives Sx/Sp's an aire of self absorption and, in some cases, fatalism.

The Sx/So places these hopes in their cunning, cleverness, and ability to make the right choices and decisions. When things don't work out, an Sx/So may wonder what they could have done differently to have more success. This makes Sx/So's come off as enterprising masters of their own destiny.

Let's take seduction as an example: an Sx/Sp focuses on seeming desirable and attractive, an Sx/So focuses on saying the right things and acting the right way. "Both" likely my 3w4 or something



3. Romantic Relationships
Both Sexual types exhibit a push-and-pull dynamic. The Sx/Sp's version of this is the classic iteration: intense, passionate desire suddenly becomes too intense and Sx/Sp pulls away to protect themselves, only to have the desire return again.

The Sx/So push-and-pull is an internal one: drawn in with some hesitation, drawn closer, maybe pull back a little, still drawn in. It doesn't look as extreme as the Sx/Sp dynamic because the Sx/So doesn't completely surrender to their desire.

As a result, an Sx/Sp is going to be more all-or-none in relationships, either on out on the sand or drowning in the depths...possibly bouncing back-and-forth between the two with the tides. An Sx/So will be more balanced and stable in their relationships, preferring to wade in the shallows.

Additionally, an Sx/So has a much greater problem with partners that seem clingy or smothering. This is encroaches too greatly on their freedom. An Sx/Sp won't have a problem with this in itself (and may even like it); their greater concern is the desirability of their partner. Extreme closeness with a confident and secure partner is Sx/Sp heaven, with an insecure partner it's hell.

Eh, sometimes I have a problem with clingyness but sometimes I like it. It depends really. But I don't show much affection in public compared to private.

sx blind spot: Neglect of partnership needs, lack of depth in their everyday connections, feeling disjoined from the core of people and life in general despite possessing social grace, a falsely assumed feeling of eerie incompleteness. Romantic unease. A compelling vicious circle of unfaithfulness, a fickle and shy persona, non-assertive approach, not wanting to get to the root of things (–> avoidance of getting “real” or the extreme), love of routine and safety, hypocrisy, accepting the status quo blindly.

Nope. But i do have trouble with overall connections, because I get over-focused only on one or two mainly.

so blind spot: Neglect of social groups, detrimental withdrawing tendency or socially antagonistic streak, overemphasis on self or a partnership, lack or altruism, overindulgence, preference of a private setting, pessimism. Self-importance. Obsession/addiction, impoliteness, unrealistic views, misanthropy (!). Snarky, desperate lone wolf. (You and) me against the world. Hatred for social gatherings. Rejecting everyone but expecting help/ pitying oneself when all hell breaks loose. Clingy. Assuming everyone´s out there to get them. Isolating self-image from societal context. Too rebellious for their own good.

A fair bit.

sp blind spot: Neglect of personal needs, disregard of the important role that material goods play in today´s society, lack of thriftiness. Recklessness. Workaholism brings about downfall, biting off more than one can chew, dependency that compensates for lack of self-reliance. Not wanting to settle, constant unrest, a hidden insecurity. Ending up broke. Not being able to be alone. Rose-coloured glasses. Not trusting your skills. Unconsciously destroying oneself through affiliations, not coming to terms with oneself and trying to find what you lack within others (and failing because only you can complete yourself). Total exhaustion. Overestimating your resources.

Edit: this too, forgot

Unhealthy Nines with an Eight-wing often resemble unhealthy Fours(interesting): they are usually depressed adn have very little energy. Unlike the Four, there is a general flatness and lack of emotional affect, with occasional tremors of tearfulness and anxiety. THIS accurately depicts how I experience my low emotions and anxiety