Trump vs. Biden

[FemMecha]

If they were actually undecided, it leaves one wondering whether they will actually vote or whether they'll remain undecided and then just not do anything... because yeah, at this point, I'm not sure what new things could be brought to light about either candidate.

I was thinking about this just yesterday when someone was complaining about campaign ads not influencing decisions. I would suspect any person in a state of mind to be undecided would have no intention of bothering to vote. It's a bigger bother this year, so you have to be more invested which correlates with strength of decision.

I've only voted in years that I found one option really upsetting. I voted early this year which is very uncharacteristic of me because in the past, even if I preferred a candidate, I have some of that Gen X-er feeling that things won't change that much regardless of candidate. I'm not proud of it, but I haven't voted in most elections, although had some dim preference each time, but have never been consistent about a party. I don't feel any identity with politics.

I have a notion that the best political ideology for a global system hasn't been invented yet, and many of the existing ideologies work differently depending on culture, context, and scale and that possibly none work at the global scale. I think Libertarianism works when there are few people and a lot of natural resources, but that the more compressed the resources, the more they need to be negotiated, so that more socialist reasoning applies. This can be seen in disaster scenarios where Capitolistic approaches wreak havoc and atrocity because people will pay anything to survive and get the last slice of bread. You actually need more systemic control to get a humanitarian result. There are also issues of natural culture, whether focused on individual rights or family systems. I think culture that value extended families can also do better with socialist ideologies because they already negotiate and compromise for the well being of the group. There is no political ideology that exists in a vaccuum. In the same way the system of marriage can have every conceivable moral result based on the context of specific individuals where it is applied, I think the same is true of political systems. You can get both constructive and destructive results based on the culture and concrete elements upon which it is imposed. Anyway, a bit of a diversion, but it took its springboard from this idea of political undecidedness. I understand in most contexts that feeling because I've always considered it complicated to determine how the marriage of a theory and concrete culture/environment will turn out.

I am vehemently against Trump and it has absolutely nothing to do with rejecting conservatism as an ideology. I think every society needs healthy, intelligent debates between true conservatives and liberals. We need one side protecting established systems and another side questioning established systems to have a healthy society.

 

[Virtual ghost]

2020 General Election Early Vote Statistics

Texas is already at 71.1% of the whole 2016. So at this rate it will evidently go over 100% even before election day.
Therefore if this is really true that opens big questions. Since the odds are that all these people didn't realize at this point that they are actually on the Trump train. (especially since their COVID numbers aren't minimal)



Worthy mentions

Georgia 56%
NC 56.6%
Montana 62%
Florida 49.8%
Tennessee 49%
Colorado 48.8%

Whole country 37%.
I don't know what New York is waiting.

 

[The Cat]

 

[Jonny]

Happy Comey Day everyone!

For those of you who don’t know, Comey Day falls on the second Friday before the election (i.e. the Friday 11 days before a Tuesday presidential election). It’s commemorating the day that Comey publicly reopened the investigation into Clinton’s emails. After that day, Clinton’s polling lead dropped by several points and she ended up narrowly losing to Trump.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

I'd forgotten about that, and it actually inspires some hope for this year.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

I am vehemently against Trump and it has absolutely nothing to do with rejecting conservatism as an ideology. I think every society needs healthy, intelligent debates between true conservatives and liberals. We need one side protecting established systems and another side questioning established systems to have a healthy society.

Yeah, honestly, I suspect the vast majority of the hate (and I really think he might be the single most hated person in U.S. history) has almost nothing to do with partisanship. People who grunt "TDS" and "orange man bad" to avoid thinking about the constant torrent of criticism have no idea how feeble-minded and susceptible to group think they sound.* I've never had such a problem with an incumbent president. If you listen to what people vent about the most, it comes back to the pathological lying; relying on inciting partisan divisiveness, hate, and violence to solidify his support; the authoritarian takeover of the government (believing the rules that have applied to every previous president don't apply to him) and trying to dictate what the "truth" is/overwrite the reality of, well, EVERYONE (firing scientists and career intelligence professionals who won't support his false narrative and installing "loyal" yes-men in their place); and basically all the behaviors that would properly fit in the malignant narcissist category.


*If grunting "TDS" to dismiss criticism or to systematically dismiss someone else's point of view about Trump effectively puts your mind at ease, you might want to talk to your doctor about heuristics and Group Think.

 

[FemMecha]

If it is correct that the Baby Boomer crowd has a lot to do with the results of the last election and this one, then I feel hopeful Trump will lose. I can see how the older generation would not be ready for a woman president. Think of the contributions made by Ruth Bader Ginsberg, because her generation were used to a world without equality for women.

I think Biden will appeal greatly to retired folks. Baby Boomers don't want shocking renegades, and there are many who have taken COVID-19 seriously because they are at a stage of life where they can process death realistically. Biden's calm and folksy way will make him the one they want to have a beer or glass of wine with and have that "plain folk" feeling of connection, which seems to go a long way in winning the presidency.

It is the Sturgis biker crowd, white supremicist hicks, and the prosperity gospel assholes who feel that personal, "plain folk" comradely with Trump. I'm hoping there aren't enough of them in this world.

 

[Maou]

President Trump's Approval with Black Voters Soars to 46% After Debate Win Over Joe "Predator" Biden

If Trump actually has 46% of the black vote, even if this is only half true. It"s still over for the Democrats due to the 20% rule

 

[Jonny]

President Trump's Approval with Black Voters Soars to 46% After Debate Win Over Joe "Predator" Biden

If Trump actually has 46% of the black vote, even if this is only half true. It"s still over for the Democrats due to the 20% rule

It’ll be interesting to see what transpires. Liberals are talking about how Texas is a real possibility for Biden, and you folks are talking about a major Trump victory. Two different worlds...

 

[Z Buck McFate]

If it is correct that the Baby Boomer crowd has a lot to do with the results of the last election and this one, then I feel hopeful Trump will lose. I can see how the older generation would not be ready for a woman president. Think of the contributions made by Ruth Bader Ginsberg, because her generation were used to a world without equality for women.

I think Biden will appeal greatly to retired folks. Baby Boomers don't want shocking renegades, and there are many who have taken COVID-19 seriously because they are at a stage of life where they can process death realistically. Biden's calm and folksy way will make him the one they want to have a beer or glass of wine with and have that "plain folk" feeling of connection, which seems to go a long way in winning the presidency.

It is the Sturgis biker crowd, white supremicist hicks, and the prosperity gospel assholes who feel that personal, "plain folk" comradely with Trump. I'm hoping there aren't enough of them in this world.

A friend I grew up with - she lived across the street our entire childhood, and so I knew her parents as well as any kid knows their childhood BF's parents - says her parents will vote for him. They aren't racist, they don't fall in any "they bonded with Trump over hate and because he validates their oafish characteristics" group, but they aren't exactly educated people either. And the big thing with them is "he isn't a politician."

I mean, personally, I've been really fed up with doctors for the past five years, but all that says to me is that it's difficult to find a doctor - not that I should take my health concerns to the know-it-all lady who lives down the street because she's "not a doctor." Nothing about that says "good idea" to me. So I don't get it.

Granted, there's a bit of a difference between "leader" and "politician", but it's simply not possible to be a good leader without also having a modicum of politician (because diplomacy and tact is essential). And the only benefit I can see to having little experience as a politician is that one might be less adapt at spinning the truth. But that's the one thing Trump does more than any politician currently in Washington.

 

[FemMecha]

A friend I grew up with - she lived across the street our entire childhood, and so I knew her parents as well as any kid knows their childhood BF's parents - says her parents will vote for him. They aren't racist, they don't fall in any "they bonded with Trump over hate and because he validates their oafish characteristics" group, but they aren't exactly educated people either. And the big thing with them is "he isn't a politician."

I mean, personally, I've been really fed up with doctors for the past five years, but all that says to me is that it's difficult to find a doctor - not that I should take my health concerns to the know-it-all lady who lives down the street because she's "not a doctor." Nothing about that says "good idea" to me. So I don't get it.

Granted, there's a bit of a difference between "leader" and "politician", but it's simply not possible to be a good leader without also having a modicum of politician (because diplomacy and tact is essential). And the only benefit I can see to having little experience as a politician is that one might be less adapt at spinning the truth. But that's the one thing Trump does more than any politician currently in Washington.

I see Trump as a politician. I see him as using that entire list of propaganda techniques. He's been into image construction for years, but people don't expect that negative image produces success, but it is proven over and over again.

I know that my stereotyped list of three categories of negative people doesn't include all Trump supporters, but it includes a lot. I have a brother who is a Trump sympthetizer and he's very intelligent, nerdy, and into video games all the times. I think he compartmentalizes a lot and focuses on single issues. He also forgives some of the assholery because he is socially really abrasive at times. I think he's an INTJ with some mood issues he doesn't have regulated. My ex boyfriend is hardcore Trump supporter and he was always a super chill hippie when I was with him. We even watched the Woodstock documentary every year on its anniversary and he idolized hippies, but now he's Qanon and thinks Trump is the savior.



I'm so frustrated about Trump support that I sometimes say things that aren't 100% balanced to carefully accommodate every supporter. It seems ironic to me for people to be turned off by my slight bluntness but still adore Trump. If someone supports Trump, they should be able o handle me putting them into a few distasteful categories.

 

[FemMecha]

I even voted for George W. the first time, although I'm definitely not proud of that now. But even then Bush said some lovely things, so at first he was not the insane tyrant that Trump is. George W. talked about creating strong relations with Mexico and to be friends with our neighbors to the south. I think he even talked about easing border restrictions. I remember that was a reason I liked him years and years ago. Then he became more and more of a tyrant.

I'm not into the "orange man" slurs and jokes about Trump. On this site and throughout my life, I am the first to sympathize with anyone being ganged up on. I was even one who felt sorry for Bush at first when people made fun of his foibles. Trump isn't a genuine outsider, rough around the edges, but fighting the establishment. He IS the establishment on a deep level. I think he was used for very specific ends on purpose to destabilize everything. His associations with organized crime should not be dismissed for more careful criticisms. After reading several depositions against him, I think he is one of the most dangerous individuals in the United States. I personally am not joining the bullying crowd to makes jokes about him, but I think Trump is dangerous in a way that goes beyond political competitions and games.

Edit: Actually, I'm not sure if I was able to vote for Bush. I think I just supported him. I think Obama was the first time I voted. I'm actually usually really bad about voting.

 

[ceecee]

I see Trump as a politician. I see him as using that entire list of propaganda techniques. He's been into image construction for years, but people don't expect that negative image produces success, but it is proven over and over again.

I know that my stereotyped list of three categories of negative people doesn't include all Trump supporters, but it includes a lot. I have a brother who is a Trump sympthetizer and he's very intelligent, nerdy, and into video games all the times. I think he compartmentalizes a lot and focuses on single issues. He also forgives some of the assholery because he is socially really abrasive at times. I think he's an INTJ with some mood issues he doesn't have regulated. My ex boyfriend is hardcore Trump supporter and he was always a super chill hippie when I was with him. We even watched the Woodstock documentary every year on its anniversary and he idolized hippies, but now he's Qanon and thinks Trump is the savior.



I'm so frustrated about Trump support that I sometimes say things that aren't 100% balanced to carefully accommodate every supporter. It seems ironic to me for people to be turned off by my slight bluntness but still adore Trump. If someone supports Trump, they should be able o handle me putting them into a few distasteful categories.

What many of them will never grasp (ppl like my parents) is that the voting for Trump, I can excuse the first time. But their judgement is suspect from that point out, their decision making and, let's fact it, their values and morality. Supporting Trump and the GOP policies this time around - nope. Any remaining trustworthiness or sound judgement is gone. The thing is, that doesn't seem to even phase most of them. When you are told by your own family that they don't trust you, your judgement or your values any longer and it has no impact - there isn't much left to say.

I truly hate the Putin/Trump gay bullshit. If anyone is still doing it - fucking stop.

 

[Jaguar]

President Trump's Approval with Black Voters Soars to 46% After Debate Win Over Joe "Predator" Biden

If Trump actually has 46% of the black vote, even if this is only half true. It"s still over for the Democrats due to the 20% rule

Stop posting fake claims from The Gateway Pundit. It's an extreme far-right website known to generate fake news and conspiracies. It's not a valid news source of any kind.

The Gateway Pundit - Media Bias/Fact Check

 

[Z Buck McFate]

NPR: Pope Says Trump 'Is Not Christian'

"A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian," Francis said, according to The Associated Press' translation of the press conference.

Trump wasted no time firing back. "If and when the Vatican is attacked by ISIS, which as everyone knows is ISIS's ultimate trophy, I can promise you that the Pope would have only wished and prayed that Donald Trump would have been President because this would not have happened," Trump said in a statement released by his campaign.
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[Maou]

Stop posting fake claims from The Gateway Pundit. It's an extreme far-right website known to generate fake news and conspiracies. It's not a valid news source of any kind.

The Gateway Pundit - Media Bias/Fact Check

Implying 99% of the sites you post, do not have a Left-wing bias. All websites have a bias. Why do you only write off conservative sites as "bias", but usually accept any left-wing sites as facts? What about their bias? I would love for you to support any of your beliefs using a conservative site. Oh wait, what is that? Impossible? You don't fucking say. Think for yourself, and draw your own conclusions, instead of going on about biases. Anyone who quotes highly liberal "Fact checkers" usually are just too lazy to do any critical thinking for themselves.

The real question shouldn't be if it is biased or not, but whether or not the article it is correct, with the evidence presented. But that seems to be lost on people.

 

[Maou]

It’ll be interesting to see what transpires. Liberals are talking about how Texas is a real possibility for Biden, and you folks are talking about a major Trump victory. Two different worlds...

I wonder if that is entirely due to the fact most Californians have exodused to Texas. I personally think that Californians are the WORST people in terms of policy preference. They export California's problems to other states, once their own state has become fucked up.

 

[Jaguar]

<snippped ignorant shit>

If you want to keep posting fake claims, maybe another month off the forum will help you think about what you're doing. Otoh, maybe the problem is so insidious it's beyond fixing.

 

[anticlimatic]

The Gateway Pundit - Media Bias/Fact Check

You and your "fact" checkers.

Remember this old chestnut?

Look at all those neutral outlets: CNN, NPR, ABC, and CBS. Give me a break.
Don't you ever get sick of relying on garbage information custom tailored to dupe you into thinking it's legitimate just because it has an extra dash of NTJ "science" spice sprinkled on top?

 

[anticlimatic]

I wonder if that is entirely due to the fact most Californians have exodused to Texas. I personally think that Californians are the WORST people in terms of policy preference. They export California's problems to other states, once their own state has become fucked up.

I was watching some podcast featuring a Texan, and they're terrified of Californians running to Texas to escape the garbage government policies, and then just continuing to vote for the same garbage when they get there. Same thing is happening in my neck of the woods- kind of a rural red-based area for the most part, but right now we are drowning in rich down-state work-from-home-tech-industry leftists who bought up all the property to get away from the stricter lockdowns in the Detroit and Grand Rapids area. All of them have Biden signs up. I don't understand people. Why vote for the same idiots that want to perpetuate a situation that made you you literally pack up and move your entire home and family from?